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re: Rand will vote to BLOCK Trump ED on border funding.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:A future hypothetical whataboutism. Diabolical.
When the next Democrat announces a "Gun Emergency, Health Emergency and Climate Emergency" to institute socialist policy, I'll enjoy your reaction.
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Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:05 pm to m2pro
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there can be no doubt about that. come on poli board, i get it. we need trump to keep kicking arse, but please understand that if you lose your principles you turn into the democrats' win at all costs mentality. those costs are great. i don't mind rand believing in our system and being one that means what he says.
And this line of thinking is how we got where we are. Sorry but if I'm in a fight, it's not holds barred. Teeth, nails, anything goes. If the opponent isn't going to play by the rules, you cannot play by the rules. And Trump has broken no rules anyway. He's just playing the game differently.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No. Rand understands the precedent of using EO's to get what you want when it can't get passed through the normal channels the constitution provides is one hell of a slippery slope.
But the Democrats will/would use it anyway no matter what Trump did/does do.
That’s what I don’t understand about trying to use “principles” when you know your opponent won’t. You just automatically lose instead of accomplishing anything
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No. Rand understands the precedent of using EO's to get what you want when it can't get passed through the normal channels the constitution provides is one hell of a slippery slope.
I’m welcoming this for myself as well, but I’m disappointed with the amount of downvotes.
I’m down with the wall. It’s not a big deal to me but I support it. EO isn’t the way to do it. We bitched and moaned when Obama bypassed congress and it’s not right when Trump does it even if I agree with the end result.
I don’t always agree with Rand, but he is consistent. Sometimes to his detriment like in this case.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:07 pm to Jjdoc
There’s a number of measures the go ‘t could adopt to help curb illegal immigration short of building a wall. Just because you think the wall is stupid, doesn’t mean you’re an “open borders” guy.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:09 pm to SmackoverHawg
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I think he's playing the long game. I have no definitive proof, but from what I've seen so far, there's a method to his madness.
it's possible.
The "conservative" approach to the border is much more akin to Ronald Reagans position than Trumps. I would much rather see proper enforcement of actual laws we have than billions spent on a border
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:11 pm to Joshjrn
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They have created a cult of personality around Trump that easily rivals the one liberals created around Obama. It's fricking depressing.
It's parallel.
Generally what happened when you get sucked in by a personality and lose your ideology.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:12 pm to bamarep
On the other side, Obama sent 2 BILLION IN CASH to Iran and that was OK …….
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:14 pm to bamarep
This doesn’t surprise me. Most honest folks can acknowledge this is not what the NEA was enacted for.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:14 pm to Hogs78
quote:It seems you jumped from the beginning of that story to its end with no middle in between. Any actual "story" you want to tell in support of the assertion before you "end the story".
Rand is crooked end of story..
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:16 pm to Loserman
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The Democrats refused to compromise, because they want the border open.
Actually they do that because they are wanna be authoritarian dictators.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is why Trumps emergency declaration probably will not stand.
It will stand .
And I will state clearly once more. What he called on to be used is 100% lawful.
What he called on to use has already been allocated by Congress.
As in Congress voted on it after Trump was elected and it was signed into law by none other than Obama.... less than a month of him leaving office
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:18 pm to bamarep
Frick Rand Paul.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:19 pm to 3nOut
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I’m down with the wall. It’s not a big deal to me but I support it. EO isn’t the way to do it. We bitched and moaned when Obama bypassed congress and it’s not right when Trump does it even if I agree with the end result.
Ohhhh...so if Trump doesn't do this, then we don't have to worry about the next Dem Pres pulling an Obama and doing it? Got it. Didn't realize that was a rule. Dammit you guys are some gullible fricks. What the next Democrat does, he/she/it will do whatever the frick it wants no matter what Trump does or doesn't do. Have you people not realized that? They have made it clear that they do not play by the rules. EVER. If you can't adapt, you lose. They opened Pandora's box. The way you close it is to shove it up their arse until they beg for legislation making it harder to do in the future. Got it? That's how you get them to play by the rules. You play by the rules until they cheat, then once they establish that's how their gonna do shite, you ramp that shite up and make them submit when you have the chance. Then when you have your foot on their throat, you make an offer. Close the loopholes. Make it harder in the future. Then the problem is solved.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:22 pm to SmackoverHawg
You say that except the NEA has been on the books for 40 years and no Democrat has ever used it as a naked power grab like Trump is doing right now. Rationalize your support for it however you please, but the facts don’t back up your assertion.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:22 pm to SmackoverHawg
quote:BINGO!
then we don't have to worry about the next Dem Pres pulling an Obama and doing it? Got it. Didn't realize that was a rule. Dammit you guys are some gullible fricks.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:23 pm to boosiebadazz
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Most honest folks can acknowledge this is not what the NEA was enacted for.
It's a terrible bastardization.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:A politician who actually understands, supports and enforces the Constitution?
Rand understands the precedent of using EO's to get what you want when it can't get passed through the normal channels the constitution provides is one hell of a slippery slope.
GTFO!
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The "conservative" approach to the border is much more akin to Ronald Reagans position than Trumps. I would much rather see proper enforcement of actual laws we have than billions spent on a border
I won't both. I think a physical border is needed in certain areas to help more efficiently enforce the current laws. The cost is a drop in the bucket and will save us far more than it will cost. Hey, and it's shovel ready jobs!!!!! I guess I'm liberal on that point. I don't mind giving someone money if they'll earn it. shite, I got more firewood than I can burn, my truck cleaned weekly even though I don't give a shite, and some deweeded flower beds. If someone needs money, and they come to me willing to work for it...I'm more than willing if their reasonable.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:25 pm to AggieHank86
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A politician who actually understands, supports and enforces the Constitution?
Pffft. We're fighting Democrats, the constitution doesn't matter anymore...
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