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re: Rand Paul: I can't support a bill with the largest debt increase in US history
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:23 pm to BugAC
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:23 pm to BugAC
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This is Biden's budget
Biden is not POTUS, chief.
The US federal government's fiscal year runs from October 1 of one calendar year to September 30 of the next. Until Sept 30th, we are operating under the Biden budget.
The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 says Trump can not. This law prohibits the president from withholding funds passed by Congress unless they follow a specific process for rescission.
This is the reason the OMB is sending rescission packages.
The first was sent yesterday
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He absolutely can. Trump is POTUS, Biden is not.
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:23 pm to moneyg
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Is it a reduction in the planned spending of the Biden bidget,
Its a major deficit, with a hell of a lot of debt added.
Trump is supposed to do better than Joe. Now, all you folks are doing is using Bidens progressive economics to justify Trumps.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:23 pm to moneyg
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You didn’t realize that most of the CBO scoring is based on using the rollback of Trumps tax cuts as the baseline.
I can’t speak for Roger, but I absolutely understand this.
The uncomfortable truth is that doing nothing would create a smaller deficit than what this bill does. That’s a fact. If you, Bcreed, etc can’t agree with that very basic premise, then you’re ignoring reality.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:25 pm to Sup Dog
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A little math for people that don't fully grasp our $30 Trillion Debt. A million seconds ago was May 23rd A billion seconds ago was 1993 A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C.
Sup Dog u have amazing math skills..
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:25 pm to Taxing Authority
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TIL no one in government can cut the budget. WHo knew?
Evidently you. The only things included in the BBB is what could be voted on by the Senate per their RULES.
Other cuts are coming via rescission.
It's the law.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:26 pm to BCreed1
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The US federal government's fiscal year runs from October 1 of one calendar year to September 30 of the next. Until Sept 30th, we are operating under the Biden budget.
Yes. Today we are operating under a Biden budget even though DT is president, but that ends this coming Sep 30 with the new fiscal year. Beginning 10/1/25, they're Trump budget years.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:28 pm to slackster
Some are putting way too much faith in the recission process. Trusting DC to make significant cuts is a fools errand.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:28 pm to David_DJS
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Nobody gives a shite about this argument
No no. You want it to be a situation that it is not. You have SCOTUS backing laws. Trump can not just get rid of a budget passed by congress.
We are operating under the biden budget no matter how much it pisses you off. This cuts that spending by 1.25 trillion.
All other cut have to come via rescission per the law from 1974.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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More debt. Its that simple.
He just voted for more spending under Biden.
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Senator Rand Paul has voted “yes” on certain spending bills, despite his fiscal conservative stance and frequent opposition to unchecked federal spending. As a senator, he has supported legislation that includes spending when it aligns with his priorities.
Rules for thee not for me.
Spend money on what I want, says every senator.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:31 pm to BCreed1
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We are operating under the biden budget no matter how much it pisses you off. This cuts that spending by 1.25 trillion.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:31 pm to BCreed1
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Trump can not just get rid of a budget passed by congress.
When is the last time that Congress actually passed a budget? Not a bunch of CR's... but an actual budget?
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:31 pm to rstamp1
I haven’t seen the bill but I’ve heard it’s full of pork. If that’s the case then they need to redo it.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:33 pm to MemphisGuy
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So... the BBB is actually the Biden Budget?
No. The BBB is a bill that cuts into the biden budget. There is discretionary and non discretionary spending. Mandatory spending is governed by existing laws and includes programs like Social Security and Medicare. Discretionary spending, on the other hand, is funded through annual appropriations bills.
As explained. The new president does not have the authority to end the current budget when entering office. That's easy for you to verify.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:35 pm to slackster
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The uncomfortable truth is that doing nothing would create a smaller deficit than what this bill does
That’s simply untrue.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:39 pm to dgnx6
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Spend money on what I want, says every senator.
Senators and Reps are beholden to their constituents, not the president.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:40 pm to TerryDawg03
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He’s principled. I don’t have to agree with every stance. Debt is the main problem right now.
While I agree with Rand here, he is often the one that grinds my gears. he invokes his principles, especially when he knows that failing to support his party will end up costing billions more taxpayer dollars in the long run. This is precisely what happened on the border wall. His principles wouldn't allow him to vote for 5 billion to build a wall, so Biden Inc. imported another 20 million illegals for us to support.
FWIW, debt is not the main problem right now. The main problem in the past, present, and future is spending.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:41 pm to GumboPot
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Anyway, the debt ceiling is just a joke. Really means nothing.
How much are we paying on our existing debt? It’s a little more than nothing.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:42 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Republicans can’t agree enough
Because many are complicit
Posted on 6/4/25 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Senators and Reps are beholden to their constituents, not the president.
No, we were told yesterday by someone that they were beholden to the Country first and then their state.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 1:03 pm to MemphisGuy
Beholden to Trump to be exact.
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