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Posted on 8/14/19 at 7:40 am to Sentrius
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I'm saying this with no disrespect intended. Louisiana has one of the dumbest voting populations in the country and is easy to get riled up about anything. Our education rankings are proof enough of that.
If you ask the casual voter in this state, they would tell you that they have absolutely no clue what an issue like tort reform means and other issues like jobs, lower taxes, or a constitutional convention, they have some small understanding on but it still makes their eyes glaze over and zone out as a result.
A lot of people in this state are just not bright enough and don't know dick about real issues facing Louisiana and just how bad JBE really has been as Governor.
If we had a smarter population like say Georgia, JBE's approval numbers would be low 30s but it's not here in Louisiana as there's a reason why JBE is mid 40s in the approval rating polls and that's because causal voters in this state have absolutely no engagement with issues important to Louisiana.
Why? You are asking poorly educated people to form an opinion about issues that are too difficult for them to understand.
While I see your premise, you're making it sound like the most retarded people in our state make up the largest percentage of voters. Yes we have many uneducated people, and most of those are not running to the polls to vote.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 10:38 am to WeeWee
Let me start by saying the below questions are not "gotchas" or trying to argue anything one way or the other. I'm just clarifying and asking questions...
I believe the question is not his ability or method of travel. I believe the question was why is he not traveling to attend and vote like he is being paid to do.
two parter:
1) I would like to know what "occasionally" means. Is this 10%, 50%, he has done it once... However, poor wording when talking about not going to DC to do his current elected duties.
2) I would really like to know who is paying for this flight? There is no way he is eating the travel costs. This is an allowance / reimbursable expense. I'm not super familiar with that make and model of plane, but I can assure you that a commercial ticket is almost always cheaper than private flights and that is when the private plane is loaded, not when there is only one person.
Side note for those that might know: I'm aware that there are instances where by law you need two pilots. Is this one of them for a flight from Louisiana to DC?
Again, I'm not super well versed on airplanes. Commercial flight from Monroe to DC is just over 2 hours. Based on internet calculators the flight from MLU to DCA would be over 6 hours at 165mph (or 143kts). That doesn't count for any stops and I don't know enough about that plane to say if it would have to refuel for that trip.
After a little more research, the plane has a range of 627 nautical miles, or a 4 hour flight with 45 minute reserve per some plane website. The DC flight is >900 miles so he would have to stop and refuel. I'm not trying to debunk any of this or attack anything. I'm just curious on how a 7+ hour more expensive private flight is better for his constituents than the cheaper 2 hour commercial flight.
We aren't talking about a high profile celebrity or government official (president, speaker of the house, majority / minority congressional leaders), that there would be a security benefit. Hell the governor travels with troopers, so there would be some benefit logistically and security wise for private flights. I just don't see the benefit of him flying his own plane, unless of course he is eating the cost all himself or only being reimbursed for the typical going rate of a commercial ticket. (It is more likely - not saying the case - but more likely he is getting fully reimbursed and logging flight hours to keep certifications, all while "flying to work" in DC)
I'm also a little curious on how any of this above and what your response was, answer the OP questions about him not voting in DC as of late.
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He answered that question at one of the fundraisers that I went to
I believe the question is not his ability or method of travel. I believe the question was why is he not traveling to attend and vote like he is being paid to do.
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Ralph Abraham doesn't like the uncertainty and inconvenience of commercial air travel. So Abraham, R-Alto, occasionally commutes to his Washington, D.C., job on his own plane
two parter:
1) I would like to know what "occasionally" means. Is this 10%, 50%, he has done it once... However, poor wording when talking about not going to DC to do his current elected duties.
2) I would really like to know who is paying for this flight? There is no way he is eating the travel costs. This is an allowance / reimbursable expense. I'm not super familiar with that make and model of plane, but I can assure you that a commercial ticket is almost always cheaper than private flights and that is when the private plane is loaded, not when there is only one person.
Side note for those that might know: I'm aware that there are instances where by law you need two pilots. Is this one of them for a flight from Louisiana to DC?
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then get on his own plane and fly himself back to La in about 5 hours.
...
a sleek red and white Cirrus SR 20 that can zip through the sky about 165 miles per hour.
Again, I'm not super well versed on airplanes. Commercial flight from Monroe to DC is just over 2 hours. Based on internet calculators the flight from MLU to DCA would be over 6 hours at 165mph (or 143kts). That doesn't count for any stops and I don't know enough about that plane to say if it would have to refuel for that trip.
After a little more research, the plane has a range of 627 nautical miles, or a 4 hour flight with 45 minute reserve per some plane website. The DC flight is >900 miles so he would have to stop and refuel. I'm not trying to debunk any of this or attack anything. I'm just curious on how a 7+ hour more expensive private flight is better for his constituents than the cheaper 2 hour commercial flight.
We aren't talking about a high profile celebrity or government official (president, speaker of the house, majority / minority congressional leaders), that there would be a security benefit. Hell the governor travels with troopers, so there would be some benefit logistically and security wise for private flights. I just don't see the benefit of him flying his own plane, unless of course he is eating the cost all himself or only being reimbursed for the typical going rate of a commercial ticket. (It is more likely - not saying the case - but more likely he is getting fully reimbursed and logging flight hours to keep certifications, all while "flying to work" in DC)
I'm also a little curious on how any of this above and what your response was, answer the OP questions about him not voting in DC as of late.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 10:47 am to The Rodfather
Edwards must be concerned with Rispone and Abraham. His Gumbo PAC ads are on now.
Edwards can’t run on his record, he has to be creative and he has to stop the two Republicans from gaining traction.
That’s why you are beginning to see him out there saving the Saints, telling us about the Edwards gang of sheriffs, and his PAC going negative.
Edwards can’t run on his record, he has to be creative and he has to stop the two Republicans from gaining traction.
That’s why you are beginning to see him out there saving the Saints, telling us about the Edwards gang of sheriffs, and his PAC going negative.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 11:02 am to The Rodfather
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or trying to argue anything one way or the other.
Yes you are, don't be disingenious.
You think him missing some votes on bills where it would have made no difference is a big deal. Since you get to say what is important to you, go for it.
I, however, think that is a stupid picayune thing to care about.
Yes if he missed a vote on an issue that was important to Louisiana, or if the vote was going to be close, I could begin to care. Since that hasn't happened, meh.
You come across, and maybe you don't mean to, as a JBE supporter casting about for some dirt on a squeaky clean opponent.
I mean, did you care about JBE's "economic development trip" to Israel? Or his tax payer paid trip to Italy to see the Holy See about human trafficking?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 12:33 pm to BigJim
Edwards has flown to Europe, Hollywood, Cuba and elsewhere. How much did that cost? What good did it go?
His administration has allowed 75 million dollars in Medicaid abuse, but someone is worried about Abraham’s voting record or Rispone having a problem hiring qualified, skilled labor in La.?
La. is becoming a welfare state while skilled labor and talented college graduates leave for greener pastures.
His administration has allowed 75 million dollars in Medicaid abuse, but someone is worried about Abraham’s voting record or Rispone having a problem hiring qualified, skilled labor in La.?
La. is becoming a welfare state while skilled labor and talented college graduates leave for greener pastures.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 12:44 pm to pwejr88
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pwejr88
Dude, you're a JBE voter that likes to pretend that JBE is conservative just because he puts out window dressing about being pro-life, supporting Guns and telling stories about being an Army Ranger and how big he is on the west point honor code while ignoring his completely liberal governance on issues that actually matter like taxes, red tape regulation, infrastructure, the size of government and economic development.
There's no discussion to be had about educated voters when you're one of those people that I'm talking about.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 2:32 pm to Sentrius
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There's no discussion to be had about educated voters when you're one of those people that I'm talking about.
Sentrius, how are Rispone and Abraham at pressing the flesh and speaking extemporaneous on the stump? Because in Louisiana that counts for a lot . The candidate that can talk unscripted has an edge especially as it would apply to the governor race moreso than a senate race,etc.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 2:57 pm to Sentrius
Saw it today, solid job. Doesn't say anything just looks ready for the debate stage.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:21 pm to The Rodfather
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I'm also a little curious on how any of this above and what your response was, answer the OP questions about him not voting in DC as of late.
You wrote 9 paragraphs on a dumb “put the candidate on the defensive” issue that no one cares about.
How about you write 9 paragraphs on why Comrade Honor Code flat out lied to voters when he said he wouldn’t raise taxes.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:33 pm to KiwiHead
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Sentrius, how are Rispone and Abraham at pressing the flesh and speaking extemporaneous on the stump? Because in Louisiana that counts for a lot . The candidate that can talk unscripted has an edge especially as it would apply to the governor race moreso than a senate race,etc.
I know you didn't ask me but from what I have seen and heard from others:
JBE is the best at handing extemporaneous questions about policy. Abraham is good and general pressing the flesh. Rispone is the weakest, but that is third hand so don't take it as gospel.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:37 pm to Rock the Casbah
If either of these guys wants to win they better learn how to clearly communicate. Abrahams is marginally better than Rispone who comes across as a backwater dufus. I can't pull the voting lever for someone who speaks so ineloquently and I know I'm not alone because I've heard a lot of friends & business associates of mine say the same thing.
Abrahams has a better voice to listen to but he has to step up his commercial game because that first round was just tuuurible.
Abrahams has a better voice to listen to but he has to step up his commercial game because that first round was just tuuurible.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:53 pm to BigJim
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BigJim
I actually agree with most of what you have posted as far as the 2019 LA Gov Election. This is the first time I have to respectfully disagree with you.
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Yes you are, don't be disingenious.
Nope, I really was being genuine. I don't have a real problem with Abraham. I was just asking questions about the information that other guy posted. AND pointed out the fact that he didn't actually answer the OPs question on why or why not it was a big deal he missed.
I personally don't have a problem with him missing. I have a little problem with him missing more than anyone else. I have a little issue with him saying he wouldn't take a salary then taking a salary (don't commit to something that you don't know if you can do, especially when you are the only person responsible for the decision. It wasn't like trying to pass legislature that could be blocked). I have a little issue with him saying he is Trumps biggest ally from LA, when he was the one that suggested Trump step down and let Pence head the Republican ticket after the TMZ tapes. That said if he is the R candidate in the runoff, I will vote for him with confidence.
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You come across, and maybe you don't mean to, as a JBE supporter casting about for some dirt on a squeaky clean opponent.
This is 100% inaccurate. Just because someone questions an R doesn't mean they are a D and vice versa. We should always question our politicians. It is healthy and keeps accountability. However, I was questioning the poster who felt that the private plane crap was not only an answer to "why votes were missed" and that it was a good thing. Maybe it is a positive, but maybe not.
I voted Vitter in the primary and runoff against Edwards. I will not vote for Angele or Dardene because they put themselves before the betterment of LA by endorsing Edwards. I voted for Trump in 2016 (both Republican Primary and Election) and will do so again in 2020 as of right now.
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I mean, did you care about JBE's "economic development trip" to Israel? Or his tax payer paid trip to Italy to see the Holy See about human trafficking?
I have a huge issue with taxpayer funded trips to other countries by the Governor of a state, especially when the "official" reason is so flimsy. I had issues with it when Jindal did it and Edwards. I also had problems with Jindal campaining for President all over the country while being the Governor (I helped elect) of my state. But, that wasn't the topic.
quote:Bolded your name so you would see this, since I'm not replying to you directly.
Rock the Casbah
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How about you write 9 paragraphs on why Comrade Honor Code flat out lied to voters when he said he wouldn’t raise taxes.
Why would I stop there? He threatened TOPS, LSU Football, old people in assisted living, and just general fear mongering all in an effort to justify his lie about raising taxes.
He tries stealing Trumps economy, even though LA is growing slower than any other state due to Edwards.
He panders with one time raises right at election time to get votes. Raises that are only available because of the surplus caused by over taxing LA business and people in lieu of cutting budgets and making hard decisions. Taxes that drove businesses and professionals away to the tune of 100k+, making the raise not the only one time thing but also the surplus.
The dude is short sighted, greedy, sleazy, indebted to interest groups, and overall indifferent to the long term success of LA and its people.
Not a fan of JBE.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:06 pm to The Rodfather
Here here, very well done.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:19 pm to The Rodfather
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The Rodfather
Great post. Well done.
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I voted Vitter in the primary and runoff against Edwards. I will not vote for Angele or Dardene because they put themselves before the betterment of LA by endorsing Edwards.
When Dardenne endorsed JBE and Angelle stayed on the sidelines, it confirmed once and for all why I never trusted them in the first place and refused to vote for them in the first round as I voted Vitter then.
Dardenne and Angelle have that RINO stink all over them and I smelled it long before most people on this board did.
They went scorched fricking Earth on a GOP front runner they had no hope of defeating and even with all their efforts, enough voters still chose Vitter over them. What does that say about them?
All Angelle and Dardenne did was crack up conservative unity and make sure Vitter had no hope of recovering and consolidating the base.
And what did they get for their troubles?
Angelle losing a house race a year later to a YouTube star despite having the most money and name recognition.
Dardenne working for JBE after selling him his endorsement like a total bought and paid for whore.
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Why would I stop there? He threatened TOPS, LSU Football, old people in assisted living, and just general fear mongering all in an effort to justify his lie about raising taxes.
He tries stealing Trumps economy, even though LA is growing slower than any other state due to Edwards.
He panders with one time raises right at election time to get votes. Raises that are only available because of the surplus caused by over taxing LA business and people in lieu of cutting budgets and making hard decisions. Taxes that drove businesses and professionals away to the tune of 100k+, making the raise not the only one time thing but also the surplus.
The dude is short sighted, greedy, sleazy, indebted to interest groups, and overall indifferent to the long term success of LA and its people.
Well put.
JBE is third worst Governor in Louisiana history behind Huey Long and Edwin Edwards.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:30 pm to The Rodfather
Fair enough, my bad for incorrectly interpreting your comments.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:41 pm to The Rodfather
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He threatened TOPS,
He actually did more than threaten TOPS, he cut it back.
And he has the nerve to put his wife on TV to say how he saved TOPS.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:47 pm to WeeWee
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He answered that question at one of the fundraisers that I went to. Abraham owns his own plane. He can do his work in DC and then get on his own plane and fly himself back to La in about 5 hours.
Hmm... if he's flying private, then he should be available for votes in DC MORE than average, not one of the worst.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:59 pm to Sentrius
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Sentrius
I follow policy, listen to those I trust that follow more closely and make a well thought out pull of the lever.
To put me in the same boat as the people you described (the fact I come to this board alone disqualifies me) makes you just like the same elitist assholes that are in Washington and in ANTIFA. “Vote the way I do or you’re an idiot! Reeee!”
Posted on 8/14/19 at 6:21 pm to pwejr88
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I follow policy, listen to those I trust that follow more closely and make a well thought out pull of the lever.
Name 15 issues and positions that JBE has a conservative stance on other than pro-life and pro guns.
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