re: Question for the Joggers of Political Talk

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Speculation. None of the official documents mention the victim had any type of weapon.

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It definitely looked like a hammer...and looking at the location of the hammer on the right side of the road and looking at Ahmaud, he was already on the left side trying to avoid the stopped truck ...and the video doesn’t look like he dropped anything or threw anything. I can’t imagine he gently placed it down - any again, the video only shows him running....

Also, having a hammer on his possession would have been noted in the police report - it seems like a odd thing to overlook

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He had likely victimized one of the men in the video (including stealing a pistol from an unlocked vehicle.)

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While this burglary was the only burglary reported to police, it makes no sense that a burglar would return to an area he had already burgled, repeatedly, as the initial paragraph of the police report states. If Arbery was the burglar of the January 1st incident at the McMichael's house, and was the same person caught on the neighbor's surveillance footage, then why would he repeatedly return to the same area in broad daylight? The elder McMicahel said that they had seen him previously "the other night" and that he had reached his hand down his pants, which led them to believe he was armed, which is why they were armed. That's at least 3 or 4 incidents where he was in the same neighborhood, with seemingly no intention of concealing himself.

Not only that, people have already stepped forward to corroborate the jogging on the same road, Fancy Bluff, that leads to Satilla Drive, which is where the incident took place.

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The evidence will almost certainly establish that he was in that neighborhood, immediately prior to the shooting, burglarizing one or more residences before the confrontation.

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Why don't any of the official documents point to anything stolen? Why did the neighbor who had the surveillance footage profess that the video only showed "trespassing" rather than stealing?

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Also, having a hammer on his possession would have been noted in the police report - it seems like a odd thing to overlook

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Given the justifications the DA made in the memo to the police department, him having a hammer or any other type of weapon would have absolutely been included. Yet none of the official documents say that he had a weapon. Yesterday I saw people speculating that the nebulous object on the video was a gun. Now it is a hammer. Yet the police, with 13 officers who were ultimately present on the scene, made no mention of any type of weapon in their initial report. It's baseless speculation that assumes the police and the DA are absolutely inept to miss an obvious weapon.

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While this burglary was the only burglary reported to police, it makes no sense that a burglar would return to an area he had already burgled, repeatedly, as the initial paragraph of the police report states.

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Criminals aren't really the masterminds as depicted on television. Burglars commonly frequent the same neighborhoods because they know the area, know which yards have dogs, the general layout - where they can get in and get out.

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and was the same person caught on the neighbor's surveillance footage

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Well, sure, it could all be a case of mistaken identity, but I thought one of Arbery's relatives identified him from the surveillance footage.

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That's at least 3 or 4 incidents where he was in the same neighborhood, with seemingly no intention of concealing himself.

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Yeah, it's called being "brazen" (if true, of course).

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Why did the neighbor who had the surveillance footage profess that the video only showed "trespassing" rather than stealing?

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Maybe he was looking for something specific, guns, jewelry, etc., and wasn't interested in taking useless crap he couldn't sell?


Look - I'm not justifying the good ole boys' vigilante ride precisely because of due process concerns about all of this. But, to suggest this was just two random, grown arse white men hunting a black dude for sport is beyond ludicrous.

What happened was a tragedy. But, as always, Ace Midnight's Rule #1 of Crisis Reporting:

The first reports are ALWAYS wrong.

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How often do you lunge at someone with a gun?

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How often does someone follow you in a vehicle while you are jogging then block the road and pull a gun on you?

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How often does someone follow you in a vehicle while you are jogging then block the road and pull a gun on you?

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As often as I commit burglary.

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I don’t think that will be established at all.

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Daily Beast article May 7th

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While Brooks, Arbery’s aunt, confirmed that the person seen in the video of English’s property that he provided from the day of the shooting was in fact Arbery, she couldn’t say it was her nephew in other videos from English’s property taken in the first two months of the year that were reviewed by The Daily Beast.

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So, at a minimum, trespassing. It was a house under construction - being the suspicious type, I know that construction sites are targets for pilferage. On the other hand, the curiosity of a new construction can lead me to a benign conclusion about Mr. Arbery's straying from strict observance of the law.

The danger here is jumping to a conclusion about anyone's moral culpability here. Personally, I would not load up the truck with guns to go "git" someone I perceived had slighted me, assuming no clear and immediate danger to me or my own. I would merely observe and report to the authorities.

Precisely to avoid the potential of the tragedy which occurred here.

How often do you run toward a truck with a dude in the bed holding a gun after that truck followed you?

Still, the guys were dead arse wrong.

I just don’t understand running to them. Makes no sense.