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Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:15 am to jts1207
quote:There's an object on the street that might be a hammer. The claim is the guy dropped it, but you can't see that happen on the video. All you see is something in the street.
Where is the hammer info coming from?
My question to this jackass here is why did the guy drop his weapon in the street if his intent was to confront these guys? Every action he takes makes it clear that he is trying to avoid conflict, but these two armed assholes weren't going to let that happen. Their minds were made up, they were going to take him by force.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:16 am to Manzielathon
Where did the hammer info come from? First I’ve heard of it. Would certainly discredit the “jogger” narrative. Still wouldn’t justify the actions of the father and son obviously.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:17 am to Korkstand
In what world is grabbing someone’s gun considered avoiding conflict?
There is literally tons of space for this guy to run, in any direction, he literally runs to the truck and to the guys with guns.
There is literally tons of space for this guy to run, in any direction, he literally runs to the truck and to the guys with guns.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:18 am to Desert King
I will link screenshots shortly.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:19 am to Manzielathon
quote:
In what world is grabbing someone’s gun considered avoiding conflict? There is literally tons of space for this guy to run, in any direction, he literally runs to the truck and to the guys with guns.
If the jogger was armed, would he have been justified in shooting the two armed men who confronted him, iyo?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:19 am to Manzielathon
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In what world is grabbing someone’s gun considered avoiding conflict?
He was acting in self defense because they are the ones that provoked the situation by ambushing him with guns drawn
Are the odds against him? Absolutely. But they weren't going to let him just go about his day. That's pretty clear.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:23 am to Powerman
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But they weren't going to let him just go about his day. That's pretty clear
They wanted the guy to surrender. 9/11 had been called already before the shooting. I don’t think this guy gets shot if not for the fact he went for the gun. Obviously he had no way of knowing their intentions.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:25 am to Manzielathon
quote:Here in reality where the guy with the gun jumps in front of you after you already tried to avoid him once.
In what world is grabbing someone’s gun considered avoiding conflict?
quote:Like, forward? No, armed assholes had the road blockaded. How about backward? No, their buddy was tailing him with another vehicle and a camera, also possibly another gun. To the right or left? You mean onto someone's property? That's what you claim he did wrong to begin with. HE HAD NO frickING CHOICE.
There is literally tons of space for this guy to run, in any direction
quote:No, he literally ran around the truck to avoid the guy with a gun while still keeping his arse on a public road. They had one lane blocked with a truck, and the other with a gun. He took the safest route and still ended up with a gun in front of him.
he literally runs to the truck and to the guys with guns.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:25 am to Desert King
the redneck shouldn’t have been out of the truck in the first place to set up a barricade 
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:30 am to Manzielathon
Have to believe the hammer would have been mentioned somewhere in the police report.....not buying it
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:33 am to Desert King
quote:What for? If I'm on foot and two dudes with guns and a truck try to nab me, no fricking way do I just surrender.
They wanted the guy to surrender.
quote:911 is for reporting emergencies, and then hanging up. 911 is so we don't have to run around being vigilantes. We call 911 so they can dispatch the police.
9/11 had been called already before the shooting.
quote:I don't think this guy gets shot if he isn't confronted by an a-hole with a gun.
I don’t think this guy gets shot if not for the fact he went for the gun.
quote:Their intentions were pretty clear. Road blockaded. Dude with gun standing in the street. Another truck chasing you. Armed dude reacts to your evasive maneuver. Clear all the way. He had no choice.
Obviously he had no way of knowing their intentions.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:53 am to Korkstand
I’m not defending these assholes. I’m trying to surmise their intentions, however ridiculously stupid they were. They were trying to do some citizens arrest on a guy they thought was doing something unlawful in the neighborhood. The father was talking to dispatch as he’s standing in the back of the truck.
If their intention was to murder the guy all along as some have suggested, I don’t think they would have been talking to police and filming it as they were doing it.
If their intention was to murder the guy all along as some have suggested, I don’t think they would have been talking to police and filming it as they were doing it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:56 am to Desert King
Well, everyone says "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". These guys were playing a stupid game, and hopefully they will win a stupid prize.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:56 am to Desert King
quote:
If their intention was to murder the guy all along as some have suggested, I don’t think they would have been talking to police and filming it as they were doing it.
Don’t confront someone carrying a gun if you have no intent to use it
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:00 am to Manzielathon
I need to know if a pack of skittles was involved
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:01 am to Korkstand
quote:
These guys were playing a stupid game, and hopefully they will win a stupid prize.
The crazy part is that the filming of the incident is what will send them to prison. And they obviously thought it would exonerate them or else they wouldn’t have given it to the police.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:04 am to Desert King
In their minds they envisioned it going a touch more smoothly than it did, I'd imagine. In my mind I'd have assumed the worst case scenario and chosen a quite different set of actions. At most follow and keep eyes on the fella in order to best as possible direct police to his location.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:08 am to Korkstand
quote:Nah.
How often do you go around patrolling your neighborhood looking for people you might want to shoot?
We have patrol peeps for that . . . .
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:08 am to Manzielathon
quote:
I will link screenshots shortly.
Went back and looked at the video. There are actually 2 items laying in the right side of the road. The first one is too blurry to tell what it is. Could be a small tree branch or something. The second one is definitely a tool of some type. But it’s impossible to say from the video if the guy tossed it there as he ran past or if it was there before.
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