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re: Question for the Joggers of Political Talk
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:28 am to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:28 am to Turbeauxdog
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Does Georgia allow you to defend your property with force?
They owned the road?
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:29 am to Turbeauxdog
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Does Georgia allow you to defend your property with force?
They were not on the shooters property when they killed him
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:29 am to Ace Midnight
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So, at a minimum, trespassing.
You can’t shoot people for walking into a construction site and you wouldn’t argue that.
He didn’t have any stolen property on him. Or we would already know.
Was he up to no good? Maybe. Possibly. None of that is going to play into the case much of the two jackasses.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:29 am to Ace Midnight
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Burglars commonly frequent the same neighborhoods because they know the area, know which yards have dogs, the general layout - where they can get in and get out.
There was only one reported burglary in the area, at the McMichael's house. There are only two ways out of that neighborhood, one of which is the road which other people have already corroborated that Arbery ran on regularly. I'm very skeptical that Arbery would have continually stolen things on a route he regularly jogged.
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Well, sure, it could all be a case of mistaken identity, but I thought one of Arbery's relatives identified him from the surveillance footage.
The same footage apparently only shows trespassing, with no robbery, and the neighbor apparently has refused to share the footage with police.
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Maybe he was looking for something specific, guns, jewelry, etc., and wasn't interested in taking useless crap he couldn't sell?
Why was there only one police report for burglary made, if there was so much stolen from the neighbor's house?
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Look - I'm not justifying the good ole boys' vigilante ride precisely because of due process concerns about all of this. But, to suggest this was just two random, grown arse white men hunting a black dude for sport is beyond ludicrous.
I'm not suggesting you are defending their vigilantism, nor did I suggest that "white men were hunting a black dude." There are enough discontents and weird things with this case that merits outside investigation. Why weren't there more police reports made, why won't the neighbor share the footage with police, why haven't any of the stolen goods been found, why did police lie to the mother of Arbery about his cause of death when they had the video from the day of the incident, and why did the second DA write the internal memo the way he did? The speculation that he had any type of weapon is also baseless, unless people think the 13 responding officers missed an obvious weapon.
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The first reports are ALWAYS wrong.
What reports are wrong here?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:30 am to Korkstand
quote:I only shoot em after they run at me and attack.
Question for the Murderers of PT
How often do you go around patrolling your neighborhood looking for people you might want to shoot?
Too bad this didn't happen in Georgia...or did it?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:30 am to roadGator
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I just don’t understand running to them. Makes no sense.
The car videotaping was with them. They’d doubled back as well. So this time when he ran by the truck wasn’t his first encounter with them.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:31 am to Korkstand
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If they run out in front of me and initiate a face to face encounter, every fricking time. One thousand out of one thousand times, if I am face to face with an armed man who clearly does not intend to let me go, I will try to take the gun. No doubt about it.
Ok now do it with more than one person having a gun on you. How many times do you get shot? Is that 1000 out of 1000 too?
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:32 am to the808bass
Ok. But don’t you jog opposite the truck if it’s you? That’s what I’d do.
Again, the shooters are wrong here. To be clear.
Again, the shooters are wrong here. To be clear.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:32 am to the808bass
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Was he up to no good? Maybe. Possibly. None of that is going to play into the case much of the two jackasses.
Just going through the flow chart - the shooters will either have a criminal history or not. If that history involves any sort of violence (or if there is any evidence of racial animus), they're done.
If Arbery has a record of property offenses and violence, they will almost certainly walk.
The public won't like the latter, but it is what it is.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:32 am to Korkstand
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That's when they get locked up and start struggling over the gun.
This may their saving grace. However, that altercation could have been avoided IF these two were not out looking for this guy. Gonna be some circular arguments going on in this case.....or maybe something that we are not aware of will come up.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:32 am to Ace Midnight
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If Arbery has a record of property offenses and violence, they will almost certainly walk.
No.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:33 am to roadGator
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But don’t you jog opposite the truck if it’s you? That’s what I’d do.
He may have been running from the car. The only way that video is taken that I can make sense of is if it’s taken by someone with the McMichaels.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:33 am to tigerfoot
It was Georgia
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:34 am to the808bass
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The car videotaping was with them. They’d doubled back as well. So this time when he ran by the truck wasn’t his first encounter with them.
Yeah - this is going to be a red herring - when I first watched it - without knowing the context, I said, "Why the frick did he rush the truck with armed dudes?"
Once I figured out the two vehicles were together and he was boxed in, then his actions made more sense - you don't want to be the only guy at the party without a gun.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:34 am to Ace Midnight
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If Arbery has a record of property offenses and violence, they will almost certainly walk.
They shouldn’t. I think we have a pretty good idea of his history. A recent shoplifting charge and a weapons offense around 9 years ago. That shouldn’t be enough to justify shooting someone in the street. Maybe it’s different in Georgia.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 7:35 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:34 am to the808bass
I can’t remember...I don’t want to watch again
Was the guy in the bed clearly holding a gun?
Was the guy in the bed clearly holding a gun?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:35 am to Elleshoe
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So you’re saying if I’m jogging along and someone points a gun at me and I try to wrestle it away, I’m in the wrong in some legal sense?
Quit trying to change the narrative of the argument- you know what he is saying!
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:36 am to roadGator
He was at the end of the video. I’m not sure it’s seen before.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:39 am to the808bass
Gotcha.
This is so sad. Many lives ruined for nothing.
This is so sad. Many lives ruined for nothing.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 7:42 am to the808bass
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That shouldn’t be enough to justify shooting someone in the street.
Well, nothing justifies that, on its face.
I don't think they should have taken the law in their own hands for suspected property crimes. This shooting is almost inevitable when you go about things in this way.
My distaste of the racial angle of the coverage notwithstanding, I'm not defending the shooters because they created the situation.
Compare that to Zimmerman/Martin - the evidence was clear that Zimmerman may have been an a-hole, but he wasn't brandishing a weapon and Martin likely initiated the physical altercation. In this case, the guys in the truck were brandishing weapons and were easily discernible as a threat from Arbery's perspective.
Did they call 9/11 before the shooting? Were they just looking to get payback for the pistol theft? Those facts will have to come out.
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