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re: Pro-Vaxxers how do you explain this?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:32 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:32 pm to Seldom Seen
Is it also counties with higher obesity rates?
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:37 pm to LSUbest
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Is it also counties with higher obesity rates?
If we never define "effective" or "working", its always effective and working.
1. What is the objective of the vaccine(s)?
2. How do you measure success?
3. Can data be collected correctly to prove it successful?
We're not going to get anywhere because there is really no goals. I mean is transmission, hospitalizations, infections, deaths, etc. a priority?
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:39 pm to Tiguar
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We will ignore parts of an article we don’t like and accept parts that sooth our desires for the vaccine to fail
For myself it boils down to trusting these people / organizations.
There have been too many changes in the story that went unexplained or in Fauci's case admissions of deception.
It all comes from the same group or groups controlled by the same group that has constantly lied to us for the past 5+ years.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:43 pm to Seldom Seen
So 60-80% effectiveness means the vaccine is worthless?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So 60-80% effectiveness means the vaccine is worthless?
60-80% what? How is effectiveness defined?
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:46 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
You and seldom seen have the combined IQ of a zucchini. I'm honestly surprised either one of you are literate.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:48 pm to Seldom Seen
What happened to all of the other variants?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:50 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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If we never define "effective" or "working", its always effective and working.
1. What is the objective of the vaccine(s)?
2. How do you measure success?
3. Can data be collected correctly to prove it successful?
Very true.
It started as we're going to defeat COVID19
Now the vaccine may keep you out of the hospital.
We can collect the data right, but will we?
2 things in the way of this.
1) how to account for all the cases that were never reported because they were subclinical? They don't mention this because it drives the death rate down.
2) Too much $ being made. Fauci refuted Hydroxychloroquine because it was never proven effective against Covid in clinical trials but recommended other new drugs that also were never proven effective against Covid in clinical trials.
And the medical community was silent.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:50 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So 60-80% effectiveness means the vaccine is worthless?
Louisiana Dept of Health is tracking vaccinated/hospitalized and vaccinated/deaths. Why won’t they release those numbers?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:40 pm to Powerman
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You and seldom seen have the combined IQ of a zucchini. I'm honestly surprised either one of you are literate.
If they admitted that the vaccine was keeping about 70% of the people from being hospitalized, would you consider that effective?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:47 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Infectious disease experts stress that vaccinated people also have fewer symptoms, are less likely to be hospitalized and are still believed to be less likely to transmit.
They are also more likely to receive the mark of the beast when it is rolled out.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:53 pm to Seldom Seen
This would support previous studies where attempts to develop a coronavirus vaccine actually suppressed immune response in general, leaving the vaccine recipient more vulnerable.
This is why coronavirus vaccinations have repeatedly failed. Up until now.
This is why coronavirus vaccinations have repeatedly failed. Up until now.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:54 pm to Powerman
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You and seldom seen have the combined IQ of a zucchini. I'm honestly surprised either one of you are literate.
Your Hypocrisy is Palpable.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:57 pm to LSUbest
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1) how to account for all the cases that were never reported because they were subclinical? They don't mention this because it drives the death rate down.
More or less what I think.
If we believe that infection provides protection, how can we have an effective rate which is riding on the backs of "natural immunity" patients. There might be some methodology, but I can't think of an easy one.
What is the true level of natural immunity, how long, etc. What percentage of the population has those levels?
Of course, I'm still confused as to what the true objective of the vaccine(s) are.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:00 pm to Tiguar
What test is being used to distinguish between delta and the original China virus?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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are still believed to be less likely to transmit.
The CDC said today this is no longer the case.
The viral load is now the same with anyone who gets Delta, vaxxed or not.
Also, Singapore has announced that 75% of their new cases are fully vaxxed. Whatever immunity these mRNA vaccines provide, wears off within 3 months it now appears.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So 60-80% effectiveness means the vaccine is worthless?
You ever make a 60 on a test?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:59 pm to Tiguar
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Impossible to assess without looking at actual numbers and curves of the graphs (it’s possible covid burned through an unvaccinated population faster than a vaccinated one and the vaxd group is a “slower burn” and peaking while unvaxed is on a down trend), but even assuming the premise is accurate, I don’t care when antivaxxers use “cases” and I don’t care when masked covidans use “cases”. I only care about hospitalizations and deaths.
Agree
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:16 am to Mickey Goldmill
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“If there are a lot of people around you’re more likely to bump into one who has COVID,” Norris explained.
Well, this throws out its the hillbilly redneck Trumpkins narrative.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:18 am to the808bass
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Louisiana Dept of Health is tracking vaccinated/hospitalized and vaccinated/deaths. Why won’t they release those numbers?
Because a 20% vaccinated death rate would look bad.
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