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re: Pro Choice?
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:50 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:50 pm to Pandy Fackler
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can answer that.
The age of viability is 6 months. Any abortion up to 5 months is perfectly acceptable.
Your answer ignores the advances of science.
Medicine continuously improves. And with it, the age of viability gets younger and younger.
Remember muh science, people.
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Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:52 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Conservatives are wrong for trying to restrict abortions and a woman’s right to control medical decisions of her own body
Where are the same people defending the woman's "right" to control medical decisions of her own body if she wanted to sell a kidney? That's actually illegal, but the argument so many make that you did as well is phony. It's simply about the abortion aspect of "my body, my choice". Otherwise if folks were consistent about the argument you make, they would be more up in arms about a restriction that's already illegal such as selling organs.
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:53 pm to AggieHank86
quote:"Fetus" is a Latin word for offspring or young. There's nothing emotional about calling a baby a baby in English vs. Latin.
Your use of the emotional term “baby” to describe a fetus demonstrates exactly how pointless it would be.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:53 pm to Crimson1st
You’re correct, of all the stupid arguments they make, the “control of her own medical decisions” is top 5.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:58 pm to DavidTheGnome
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. Conservatives are wrong for trying to restrict abortions and a woman’s right to control medical decisions of her own body.
wrong
--God Almighty
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:01 pm to AggieHank86
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You and I can agree that it is simply a different interpretation, respect their opinions, and move on. They will continue to misuse terms like “murder” and to call all who disagree with them “evil.”
Well I was referring to actual murder, ya know, one person taking the life of another. But carry on....
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:13 pm to DavidTheGnome
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The Supreme Court interpreted
I see.
So we have to rely on what the high priests in black robes tell us it means.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:05 am to Turbeauxdog
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quote:
The age of viability is 6 months
Currently 21 weeks. So under 5 months.
That's not true.
According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, "Fetal gestational age, as currently estimated, is an imprecise predictor of neonatal survival, but 22 weeks of gestation is generally accepted as the lower threshold of viability".
"Despite the difficulty in using gestational age alone to predict outcome, it is generally agreed that only comfort care should be offered to infants born at less than 22 weeks of gestation and that resuscitation should be offered for infants born at or later than 25 weeks of gestation".
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Currently the most practical, scientifically accepted age of viability remains in the 24 week range. Additionally, babies born in this age range that do manage to survive, have an extremely high incidence of severe neurologic impairment.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:21 am to Pandy Fackler
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Currently the most practical, scientifically accepted age of viability remains in the 24 week range. Additionally, babies born in this age range that do manage to survive, have an extremely high incidence of severe neurologic impairment.
Regardless of your opinion of what is practical or medically accepted, 21 week old babies have survived.
That reality defines viability.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:23 am to Crimson1st
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Where are the same people defending the woman's "right" to control medical decisions of her own body if she wanted to sell a kidney?
Same place they are defending a man's right to reproductive freedom. Absent.
This isn't about rights; it's rarely about rights with liberals.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:38 am to TrueTiger
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So we have to rely on what the high priests in black robes tell us it means.
Yeah, that's how it works. You rely on it until it's overturned.
Obviously, it's fine to disagree with a decision. But it is the law until it is overturned, and it is what the Constitution says until it is overturned.
A polite way of saying Supreme Court jurisprudence is "scoreboard, bitch" but that's what it is.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:41 am to Turbeauxdog
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Regardless of your opinion of what is practical or medically accepted, 21 week old babies have survived.
That reality defines viability
Viability is a great argument, but the problem is, none of the developing law is focused on viability. Perhaps it's an impossible task, but it's just going to be extremely hard to regulate whether viability overcomes the life and health of the mother. So the anti-abortion legal arguments have focused on making legal, non-viable abortion harder for poor women.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:45 am to Crimson1st
quote:When does an entity acquire the negative right not to be killed?
So how does one know when this precise moment is? Do bells and whistles go off as if the baby is the one millionth shopper in a store the moment they become viable?
Sorry, but that is not a question that science can answer. It is philosophical question with as many answers as there are stars in the sky.
You just pick a number that most people can live with. The extremists at each end of the spectrum will bitch about whatever number you pick, but that is no different from any other issue.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:47 am to oman
Your response is to post up a pic of Khan the 'Con Man' ?
Swing and a miss but thanks for holding the ambulance chasers water !
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:47 am to David_DJS
quote:Philosophical questions seldom have a binary “right or wrong” answer set.quote:Both of us can't be right, though.
I understand where you’re coming from and respect that I just simply disagree.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:51 am to Crimson1st
quote:And it should be perfectly legal.
Where are the same people defending the woman's "right" to control medical decisions of her own body if she wanted to sell a kidney? That's actually illegal
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:55 am to oman
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Yeah, that's how it works. You rely on it until it's overturned.
Obviously, it's fine to disagree with a decision. But it is the law until it is overturned, and it is what the Constitution says until it is overturned.
A polite way of saying Supreme Court jurisprudence is "scoreboard, bitch" but that's what it is.
Do you really think somebody's arguing "is" as opposed to "ought" here? Your response is the equivalent of replying to a criticism of Trump with "He's your president, bitch".
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:04 am to Flats
quote:You are correct.
Your response is the equivalent of replying to a criticism of Trump with "He's your president, bitch".
Of course, we do see variants of THAT response here dozens of times per day.
Seriously, I support abortion rights philosophically, but Roe is TERRIBLE jurisprudence constitutionally. It is the epitome of a result-driven judicial decision.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:05 am to Flats
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Do you really think somebody's arguing "is" as opposed to "ought" here? Your response is the equivalent of replying to a criticism of Trump with "He's your president, bitch"
No, I'm arguing with the guy who is bitching about the Supreme Court's interpretation being law.
If someone told me his President wasn't Trump, I would tell him "He's your president, bitch." If someone was just criticizing the President, I wouldn't have the same response. My response would be like, yeah, you're probably right.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:07 am to oman
Did someone describe you as smug recently?
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