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re: President* Biden: A strong European Union is in America’s interest!

Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:01 pm to
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We are not a party to the Rome Statute, and the United States doesn’t accept the jurisdiction of the ICC.

Yeah. I already figured that part out. You left out "yet". Keep voting Dem.

You are fatigued. I suggest a siesta.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13241 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:02 pm to
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lpb tiger

You are an idiot.

A strong America is better than all those places combined.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:03 pm to
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Do many of our alliances need restructuring and more input from our partners? Yes. But pretending that we don’t benefit from having allies and from being able to forward position our military half a world away is pure folly.


It’s a stupid use of money.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:03 pm to
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WW1, WW2, WW3, probably, but I don't see Russian tanks plowing through the German countryside anytime in the near future.




Perhaps not. Would you like to guess why that is?

I wonder why Estonia and Latvia’s Russian minority regions aren’t the subject of infiltration and annexation like Ukraine’s Russian minority regions are? It probably has nothing to do with their NATO membership.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:04 pm to
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It’s a stupid use of money.


It’s pennies on the dollar compared to the money we waste domestically and in the Middle East. Pennies.
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:05 pm to
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Yeah. I already figured that part out. You left out "yet". Keep voting Dem.


There is no yet. We were a signatory, and revoked it.

There is no political will on either side of the aisle to ratify it.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8689 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:06 pm to
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Would you like to guess why that is?

Tactical nukes.
If Russia took Estonia and Latvia, nothing would stop them.
I don't know enough about Crimera to provide a retort.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:07 pm to
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The EU is a totalitarian project, that empowers bureaucrats and steps on the rights of ordinary Europeans.


FYI, the EU is in large part based on the federal example set by.....the United States
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42149 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:07 pm to
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Reminder that American isolationism did nothing except cause us to go into two world wars entirely unprepared to do so. It did absolutely nothing to keep the peace or save us money. Nothing at all.

And the century of American imperialism that began in the late 19th century destroyed the Republic. It is no coincidence that the explosion in the size and power of the federal government is directly linked to our warmongering abroad. The idea that the United States has the moral obligation to forcibly remake the world in its own image is straight out of Trotsky's playbook. And good luck thinking you can use force to impose the Pax Americana abroad and not have that same government use force at home against its own citizens.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:08 pm to
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If Russia took Estonia and Latvia, nothing would stop them.


Wrong. They are NATO allies and we would break it off in Russia’s arse if they moved into the Baltic states.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:09 pm to
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And the century of American imperialism that began in the late 19th century destroyed the Republic. It is no coincidence that the explosion in the size and power of the federal government is directly linked to our warmongering abroad.


No argument there

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The idea that the United States has the moral obligation to forcibly remake the world in its own image is straight out of Trotsky's playbook


At no point have I ever said this. I don’t give a shite about moral obligations at the state level. That’s a farce.

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And good luck thinking you can use force to impose the Pax Americana abroad and not have that same government use force at home against its own citizens.


Never said that either


Isolationism is no longer practical, viable, or in our best interest. Nothing to do with morals or American exceptionalism or anything else you mentioned
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53727 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:09 pm to
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Just as important is our relationship with NATO.


NATO is a huge drain propping up socialists for a threat that no longer exists. frick the EU
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:10 pm to
We should get out of the Middle East too.

The money we spend in Europe ends up subsiding their bad behavior. Berlin has twenty airworthy airframes? They can get away with that, because of our security umbrella.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53727 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:10 pm to
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Isolationism is no longer practical. 


Why not?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:11 pm to
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Why not?


Innumerable reasons. Global supply chains and financial markets for starters.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13241 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:13 pm to
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Wrong. They are NATO allies and we would break it off in Russia’s arse if they moved into the Baltic states.



If by "break it off" you mean put severe sanctions on them then I guess you would be right.
Posted by lpb tiger
Member since Mar 2021
389 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:13 pm to
You must be joking?
Posted by ChuckO1975
Member since Feb 2021
1292 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:13 pm to
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Reminder that American isolationism did nothing except cause us to go into two world wars



American officials could have easily avoided both world wars if they had chosen to do so. It has nothing to do with extremely fake and gay "isolationism" memes, which was a propaganda term for warhawks that lives on in the minds of midwits across the country.

You would think that the rapid downward spiral of the post war West and America would be a huge friggin indicator for how catastrophic our participation in these wars actually was. Oh well.


Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:14 pm to
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Berlin has twenty airworthy airframes? They can get away with that, because of our security umbrella.


They shouldn’t have bought those shitty Typhoons from airbus. Germany’s defense spending has been abysmal for decades now. I agree with you and have already stated so.

That does not mean that we don’t benefit from the alliance at all.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37349 posts
Posted on 3/26/21 at 5:15 pm to
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American officials could have easily avoided both world wars if they had chosen to do so.


please go on and explain to the class how we stay out of the Second World War.

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