re: Premise Iran wants to Nuke Israel and the US!

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Of course, it isn't like our government has ever, and I mean never, lied to the public prior to military actions.

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I quoted the Iranian administration, not our government. It seems our government claimed, and believed, exactly what you describe.

Of course, our government claimed and believed the Iranian ballistic missile range limit was half of what it actually was. I guess in your mind, they were lying about that as well?

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I quoted the Iranian administration, not our government. It seems our government claimed, and believed, exactly what you describe

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Dude, everyone knows they have the material. Quoting them means nothing. The material is not even close to weapons grade and everybody knows this. Why would we use watchdog agencies if we do not listen to them?

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Of course, our government claimed and believed the Iranian ballistic missile range limit was half of what it actually was. I guess in your mind, they were lying about that as well?

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They have a space program. How does range of missiles come as a shock to you if you know they have a space program?

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IAEA safeguards reports quantified Iran’s enriched uranium inventory, including hundreds of kilograms of enriched material. Iran routinely referenced that in the context of diplomatic talks about limits or rollback

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You do realize there are levels of enrichment right?

The IAEA had concerns of how certain amounts of the material ended up at sites that were not disclosed. These sites were believed to be enrichment sites to further progress the material to weapons grade material. We destroyed those sites. This set them back years.

Yet you sit here trying to make us believe that any day now, nukes from Iran will be flying.

Are you Bibi?

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Their country is not run by ideological nut jobs who threaten to use them on others they dislike
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You sure about that?

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Yep.
Dead certain.
To "threaten to use them on others they dislike," they'd first have to admit to having them.

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I am trying to understand the opposing position but I just do not understand.

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Its pretty easy. I do not believe the country i live in should be spending tax payers money to kill people on the opposite side of the world.

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They have been two weeks away from a nuke for twenty years. It was and still is propaganda. Why does Israel get nuclear weapons? Are we prepared to put boots on the ground in North Korea?

We supposedly devastated their nuclear capabilities months ago but now we need a full scale war?

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I never believed that we got all of their nukes with that strike last year. I don't think any logical person believed Iran's nuclear development was confined to 1 site alone. Even if Trump said we got em all last time (he didn't) i still wouldn't believe him, because i have a brain.

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Now the new propaganda is they are speed racing to a nuke and we need to put boots on the ground to stop them. (Per Ben Shapiro)

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No one is putting boots on the ground. Yall have been saying this everyday since it started yet it still hasn't happened yet.

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None of this was worth it and none of it will be worth it. All of it was propaganda to strengthen Israel's position in the region.

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But you don't know that. You are making an assumption because "muh Israel".

Iran has stated in the past many times it has nukes, it is developing nukes, and it will use nukes against the West for many years now.

So, why don't we play out the scenario you want.

Let's say we never hit Iran last year, and we never hit them this year.

In 5-10 years, does Iran have nuclear weapons? Yes
What will Iran do with those nukes? Maybe they launch them at Israel. (Likely). Maybe they use them as a threat to seize the global oil trade. (very likely), causing global energy prices to skyrocket (very likely). Maybe they use them to threaten their Arab neighbors that they are bombing right now (also very likely). So....now what? What does America do? Just ignore it? Ok. Now their threat extends more westward. Now they threaten Europe. Now, emboldened by Iran's nuclear might, Russia fully invades Ukraine....Now what? What do you do?

You see what's happening. Inaction, when you had the chance to stop a global threat, has now created likely war on a much larger scale that absolutely would require boots on the ground from every western country in the world. Inaction starts WW3. It sounds hyperbolic, but it's reality.

What is your guess of how a nuclear armed Iran will play out decades down the line?

Here is my argument! Iran or any country are just not that stupid to use a nuke on the US or Israel. If they did the consequences would be us turning their country into a glass pit by Nuking them back. What's the end game by them using it? Nukes are used for deterrence only in modern times. The us is the only country that have used them and the only one that ever will.

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Experts don't say that at all

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The UN inspectors' report says exactly that.

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Ask yourself:
Why does Iran have a space program? Are they going to the moon

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Same reason all other modern nations want it. Satellites. Do you really wish to deny them a modicum of modernity?

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Why are their enrichment sites underground?

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Being smart maybe? The rock overhead is multiple upon multiple half-value layers of shielding.

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why enrich uranium to over the threshold needed for nuclear energy?

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The same reason everyone does. To be on equal diplomatic footing against the world's only empire. Notice the world's only empire doesn't bomb nuclear powers all whilly-nilly like they do non-nuclear powers.

They see their greatest enemy, who stole the enriched material from an ally, attain nuclear power. That same enemy has expressed desire to attain their prophecied greatness. That greatness includes a great swath of Iran. Maybe they want exactly the same thing arse all other nuclear powers...a deterant.

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Why would Iran use a nuclear weapon?

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Why would they slaughter 50,000 innocent protesters?

The Hamasbros are just as bad as the Ukrainebros.