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re: Premise Iran wants to Nuke Israel and the US!
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:31 am to msutiger
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:31 am to msutiger
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We supposedly devastated their nuclear capabilities months ago but now we need a full scale war?
This is the inconvenient truth no one around here seems to want to address. Even insinuating that Iran was only set back 12-18 months when this happened would have elicited a visceral reaction around these parts. Today we’re supposed to forget all those victory laps that were taken?
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:33 am to slackster
They were just joking back then now we’re serious
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:34 am to msutiger
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Why does Israel get nuclear weapons?
They aren't a fundamentalist theocratic state with the stated agenda to destroy their neighbor.
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Are we prepared to put boots on the ground in North Korea?
They aren't a fundamentalist theocratic state with the stated agenda to destroy their neighbor.
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They have been two weeks away from a nuke for twenty years.
This parroted phrase is bullshite. Iran has publicly been claimed to potentially have enough resources gathered to be "weeks" away (no one has ever specified 'two weeks') from having functional nukes three times. Twice in 2022 and once in 2021.
As far as I can find, that's it.
Stop spreading bullshite. No one has claimed anything like that "for twenty years."
2021 and 2022. That's why Biden stated he would use force to keep Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons in 2022.
Now, someone may have corrected stated that Iran was trying to acquire nukes other than those cited statements, or that it couldn't be allowed, or some other statement about Iran and nukes, but all I can find are those three statements that conform to your and every other mindless parrot on this board's favorite phrase.
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It was and still is propaganda.
Maybe it is. Maybe it's not. The problem for you is that you don't have access to the classified information to judge whether it is or not, so you're stating your own pre-arrived-at conclusion as fact.
You really don't know shite.
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All of it was propaganda to strengthen Israel's position in the region.
Not saying that's correct, since you really have no idea and are talking out of your arse, but ut so what if it is/was? It's better for the US Iran to be weak and Israel to be strong in that region.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 7:37 am
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:34 am to NIH
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They were just joking back then now we’re serious
Oh right right.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:36 am to Tiger985
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So how do we manage Iran. The answer is the same way we have for decades. It's obvious we have outstanding intelligence and have the power to reign them in as necessary.
This is beyond ignorant because every day they were stockpiling weapons to defend their nuclear program as they simultaneously develop nuclear delivery capabilities.
There is an easy "point of no return" when intelligence can't to jack shite.
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Saying Iran can never have a nuclear bomb puts the United States in a box, not the Iranians.
The entire world says it.
UK says it.
France says it.
The entire middle east says it.
Japan says it.
Even Russia and China are not helping with the program.
The US isn't in a box. The US is the only one with the stones to act.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:42 am to slackster
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This is the inconvenient truth no one around here seems to want to address. Even insinuating that Iran was only set back 12-18 months when this happened would have elicited a visceral reaction around these parts. Today we’re supposed to forget all those victory laps that were taken?
Oh, good grief.
Someone posts this nonsense 8 times a day and its addressed every time.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:44 am to wackatimesthree
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Oh, good grief. Someone posts this nonsense 8 times a day and its addressed every time.
Ahh they could have just dug down there and got it, right?
There is no world where the actions in 2026 can be reconciled with the claims made after the 2025 bombing campaign. None. Zero.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:46 am to SFCSaint77
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You seem to lack understanding of what it means when they say Iran is X months away from a nuclear weapon. It refers to how long it would take if they made a decision to go for it. Not a design or technical capability that is two weeks away from being done.
Is this information being provided by the same sources that said Iraq has WMDs so we must strike them?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:47 am to wackatimesthree
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The problem for you is that you don't have access to the classified information to judge whether it is or not,
This is the second time you've used this argument and I still don't get it. We can never question any military operation using this reasoning. GWB and Dick Cheney did everything right, and if you disagree it's because you don't have access to the same information they had. If we hadn't evacuated Afghanistan as quickly as we did it would have been even worse, so Biden handled that as well as it could have been handled.
You could play this card for just about any action any administration takes.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:50 am to msutiger
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We supposedly devastated their nuclear capabilities months ago but now we need a full scale war?
Tells me either they had capabilities we didn’t know about or they received more supplies from someone like Russia or China.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:53 am to KiwiHead
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Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear non Proliferation Treaty and at least on record saying they will not develop.
Oh, well there you go.
See? I feel much better already.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:58 am to deuceiswild
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But for now you dont know jack schitt.
Neither do you, or anyone else on this board. Everything we post about current Iranian capabilities is pure speculation.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:58 am to msutiger
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Netanyahu has been begging for this war for 30 years
Why do you 'spose that is?
Could it be that they are tired of constantly getting attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah?
Nah. That couldn't be it...
Posted on 4/7/26 at 7:59 am to msutiger
That’s not true
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:08 am to Flats
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This is the second time you've used this argument and I still don't get it.
No, I've posted it way more times than twice.
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We can never question any military operation using this reasoning.
You can question anything you want, but you tell me, what is your basis for thinking you're right about anything? At least while it's going on. Past history? O.k., but logically we all know that past actions don't determine current ones. And even then, the problem with people on here who declare every ME intervention a failure have no way of knowing what would have happened had the intervention not happened.
And we're only what, 40 days into this? Since you brought them up, we know that Bush and Cheney were wrong about Iraq, but only after the fact. It took, what, 18 months after that operation began to definitively establish that no weapons of mass destruction existed?
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You could play this card for just about any action any administration takes.
What other actions besides military/foreign policy actions depend so heavily on secret, classified information that you'll never see or know about? At least not for years and probably decades?
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If we hadn't evacuated Afghanistan as quickly as we did it would have been even worse, so Biden handled that as well as it could have been handled.
I'm not claiming that there's no room for nuance or that every single action is unknowable or above judgement. I'm specifically talking about the questions like the poster to whom I was responding assumes he knows the answer to, such as, "Was Iran really moving quickly toward acquiring functional nuclear weapons?" "Is our military presence in Iran justified?"
We may never know the answer to the first question. We might know the answer to the second, but if we do it will be years after the fact and will have to be ascertained by reading between the lines of all of the pro and con spin. Again, we're only 40 some-odd days into this.
To me this is just like the Charlie Kirk shooting where everyone all of a sudden becomes a ballistics expert and concludes that there had to be a conspiracy "because there's no way a 30.06 round doesn't leave an exit wound," and that the government must be hiding things from the public because they haven't released all the information they have on the shooting.
You have to wait for the trial. And even then, you still won't see all the evidence the prosecution has, because some of it won't be admissible at trial.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:08 am to TigerPlate
I just can’t believe the President and people who said “No more Iraq and Middle Eastern Wars” are leading us right into another one, and a far worse one too.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:12 am to wackatimesthree
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The problem for you is that you don't have access to the classified information to judge whether it is or not,
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:18 am to NC_Tigah
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The Iranian delegation claimed it had enough fissile material to build 11 nuclear bombs. That was their claim.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:19 am to slackster
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Ahh they could have just dug down there and got it, right?
Naw, they could not make stupid statements like, "What no one here wants to deal with." If you're going to argue that the board is too vast to know everything that's posted here, you should be smart enough to understand that there's also no way for you to know what "no one here" wants to deal with or not. Here's my own emoji to illustrate how dumb you are for not reasoning that out before typing it...
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There is no world where the actions in 2026 can be reconciled with the claims made after the 2025 bombing campaign. None. Zero.
Sure there is, and it's really, really simple. You may have not heard Donald Trump speak for the last 12 years, but a lot of people have. And he has a very identifiable tendency to exaggerate and use hyperbole.
This is not a subtle trend. In fact, you might want to go to YouTube and check out the myriad of Trump impersonators there. This tendency of his is so prevalent that every impersonator you see will have incorporated it into their act.
So the very simple, Occam's Razor explanation for how Iran could possibly have still been moving toward nuclear weapons even though Trump declared that he had obliterated their ability to do so a short time ago is that he simply hadn't really obliterated their ability to do so. He greatly exaggerated.
That's a pretty short walk from one neuron to another, isn't it? Fits with what we know about Trump, fits with what we know about the current situation, pretty simple.
Or, you could be one of the idiots on here who really, truly thinks that Trump is beholden to Israel because they ran the Epstein ring and are threatening to blackmail him using that information, so he just does whatever they tell him to do.
Trump exaggerated vs that. Yeah.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 8:21 am to wackatimesthree
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And even then, the problem with people on here who declare every ME intervention a failure have no way of knowing what would have happened had the intervention not happened.
My point exactly. Maybe the evacuation was handled as well as it possibly could have been given the circumstances. We don't know.
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we know that Bush and Cheney were wrong about Iraq,
How do you know that? You don't know what information they had or when they had it.
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What other actions besides military/foreign policy actions depend so heavily on secret, classified information that you'll never see or know about?
Economic espionage is huge. The admin has access to all sorts of economic information on other countries that we don't have, so maybe we shouldn't question something like a tariff. Trust Trump, He Knows More Than Us.
This is just a black pill applied to any and all military operations. I'm not swallowing that.
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