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re: Potential Chevron decision impact on things like household appliances?
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:27 am to creolechef
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:27 am to creolechef
I’m no law scholar, but I think every “rule/law” they made up should be put in play and deemed unconstitutional.
Then Trump should eliminate the EPA
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Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Many (most? a super majority?) of the regulations will be upheld without Congressional action to write longer, more detailed statutes to fill the gaps.
Pure conjecture.
It’s possible you could be right, but there’s nothing to support that conclusion yet and plenty from other recent rulings that suggest otherwise.
Plus if Trump is elected the government agencies will likely swing wildly back towards deregulation on many of these topics rendering these appeals moot.
EPA fleet efficiency changes will 100% be walked back by the agency.
Appliance water and electricity use changes? Gone.
Electric car subsidies? Bye.
Educational subsidies tied to certain progressive mandates? Finished.
The impact of Project 2025 on government agencies would be so impactful that this ruling might ultimately be a negative thing for the GOP/MAGA crowd because it could limit agency actions the opposite way before the Trump people get a chance to wield the power the agencies previously had.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:30 am to Rohan Gravy
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Then Trump should eliminate the EPA
We don’t need to go back to the 1970s with cancer outbreaks and unbreathable air in the rust belt and LA.
We can maintain reasonable standards for the environment without letting climate change activists and paid for plants choose winners and losers in the private sector.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:40 am to creolechef
Unelected bureaucrats at agencies purposefully filled with progressive loons now face push back.
These progressive filled agencies should be the next target.
Drop the pay. Fire as many as possible. Etc.
If you have ever been in an irs or Social security office or even a civil service office on a base…
You know…
These progressive filled agencies should be the next target.
Drop the pay. Fire as many as possible. Etc.
If you have ever been in an irs or Social security office or even a civil service office on a base…
You know…
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:44 am to creolechef
Think about it. This Chevron decision was decided in 1984. The regulatory state was not impacted all that much prior to it. I doubt that all that much changes overall. It just means that deference to agency law will no longer be in play. Meaning that it is no longer as weighted. It does not end government regulation. The EPA is not closing up anytime soon.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:45 am to creolechef
The public is not “forced” by the EPA to buy any specific type of appliance And, besides, it’s a diffferent issue from the “Chevron deference”.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 11:47 am to tide06
I read it that it will be a little easier to sue regulatory agencies. Administrative Law courts are going to get busier.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 6/29/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and they don't farm out their difficult legal work
Wait, you think they have enough staff attorneys to handle all the incoming lawsuits? About every reg they have written to this point?
Lulz
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:42 pm to tide06
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We can maintain reasonable standards for the environment without letting climate change activists and paid for plants choose winners and losers in the private sector.
What is reasonable standards?
We do not have reasonable standards now
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:44 pm to bluedragon
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Trump walks in on day one and reverses all regulations back to January 2020. Done.
And cleans house. Climate weenies have to go
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:46 pm to Rohan Gravy
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What is reasonable standards?
Going back the type of freon we used 40 years ago and building refrigerators the way the did then.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 3:56 pm to tide06
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I’m a car or appliance manufacturer I’m suing the government Monday
Toyota gets their V6 and 5.7 v8 back!
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:24 am to Rohan Gravy
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What is reasonable standards?
It sure as hell isn’t removing all oversight and betting on international conglomerates to just do the right thing because we have decades of evidence to show they will leave carnage and cancer in their wake as they chase short term profits.
We need to establish genuine health impact guidelines for chemicals and pollution free of highly suspect climate change guidelines and with an understanding that we can’t ban nuclear energy plants for example just because it might impact a sardine or spotted moth.
But over exposure to chemicals is causing diseases, reducing fertility and increasing health care costs and if we remove all controls it will get much worse.
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We do not have reasonable standards now
We need to remove the activist nuts from the equation, figure out what the objective data tells us and reverse engineer back to a place where private industry and public health can find a balance.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:28 am to RobbBobb
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Wait, you think they have enough staff attorneys to handle all the incoming lawsuits? About every reg they have written to this point?
They won't have to defend every reg.
IIRC, the decision explicitly states it's not retroactive to prior cases/statutes, regardless.
The DOJ is the one who will defend the suits, and if they have a manpower issue, the cases will just be delayed. I have already said this decision will cause delays.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 9:29 am
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