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re: Populism (and Dobbs) is the basis for "muh democracy" rants and ravings from the DEMs
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:52 am to La Place Mike
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:52 am to La Place Mike
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So, the Democrats fear that Trump will become more of a right wing authoritarian?
Doesn't have to be Trump, specifically.
It's about the right-populism emerging around the globe.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 8:53 am
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Dobbs is unpopular for being a combination of (1) removing perceived rights and (2) over 60% of the country believing in abortion as a policy (and right).
And who is leading them to this conclusion?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:54 am to Turbeauxdog
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Imagine comparing an enumerated right from the constitution with abortion.
Uh, can you read?
I literally put "perceived" in the part you didn't quote. Here, I'll type that part out again for you:
I believe the increase in support is in response to the restrictions on a (perceived) right.
For about 40 years, abortion was a right in the US. That's a fact, not an opinion.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:54 am to STEVED00
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And who is leading them to this conclusion?
Themselves
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Good analogy.
I imagine data is similar for the 2nd Amendment and Republicans whenever the post-school shooting restrictions are floated.
Cue: “But the second amendment is actually IN the Constitution!“. (EDIT: wow, someone said it before I could finish this post)
Yes, but for half a century SCOTUS told Americans that abortion WAS in there as well.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 8:56 am
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:55 am to AggieHank86
Yeah, it's a pretty good rant by SFP. I didn't like the abortion ruling because it's the one thing the left can point to to say the right is a bunch of nazis who want to rule their lives. In every other facet, the populist right cares about freedom way more than the left (speech, fighting corrupt goon intel agencies, the left cheers on political persecution now, etc.)
On the Bolsonaro thing, this guy is from Brazil and absolutely hates the neocons/neoliberals. But, he says Bolsonaro is the authoritarian con job. The twist is he seems to think Bolsonaro is the globalist puppet. I think he perceives Lula more as Bernie.
LINK
On the Bolsonaro thing, this guy is from Brazil and absolutely hates the neocons/neoliberals. But, he says Bolsonaro is the authoritarian con job. The twist is he seems to think Bolsonaro is the globalist puppet. I think he perceives Lula more as Bernie.
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Bolsonaro is a self-described “myth” created and packaged by the military, coming out in the open about a month after Dilma’s election victory that propelled her to a second term in late 2014.
Bolsonaro himself and countless fanatic supporters flirted with Nazism; unabashedly praised known torturers during the Brazilian military dictatorship; and milked serious fascist leanings lurking in Brazilian society.
Bolsonarism is even more insidious because this is a military-concocted movement subservient to hardcore neoliberal globalist elites and comprised of evangelicals and agribusiness tycoons while posing as “anti-globalist.” No wonder the virus contaminated literally half of a dazed and confused nation.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:56 am to Bunk Moreland
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On the Bolsonaro thing
You think more than you or Hank got that far?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:56 am to SirWinston
The MAGA movement has done nothing to suggest they are not democratic by every objective measure. Period.
Not one US candidate has suggested anything along the lines of what you and they are attempting to paint them with using false correlations between politicians from other parts of the world.
In reality the “end of democracy” theme is just another projection where the left, which has fully embraced a totalitarian globalist vision that is only mildly democratic and does not value at all the constitution and individual rights. They continue to act straight out of the Alinsky playbook and are blaming the right for what they themselves intend to do.
The two sides are wholly incompatible with each other at this point and will continue to spin further and further negatively towards each other in a zero sum race to zero as the inherent divide between the two groups justifies voting for party over candidates (looking at you PA /Fetterman) and dehumanizes the other party as “other”.
Not one US candidate has suggested anything along the lines of what you and they are attempting to paint them with using false correlations between politicians from other parts of the world.
In reality the “end of democracy” theme is just another projection where the left, which has fully embraced a totalitarian globalist vision that is only mildly democratic and does not value at all the constitution and individual rights. They continue to act straight out of the Alinsky playbook and are blaming the right for what they themselves intend to do.
The two sides are wholly incompatible with each other at this point and will continue to spin further and further negatively towards each other in a zero sum race to zero as the inherent divide between the two groups justifies voting for party over candidates (looking at you PA /Fetterman) and dehumanizes the other party as “other”.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
If you would commit to what you’re trying to say, your posts would be shorter and would be more likely to make a cogent point.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Except that nobody on the right is going to change election laws to solidify their power. The left has been doing that so it’s easy to commit fraud. Eliminating those avenues of fraud and going back to secure elections like we always had isnt on the same level as people like Orban or Erdogan. If secure and honest elections means democrats lose more often that just means the people always wanted a more conservative government and the left has been destroying democracy.
The left doesn’t care about democracy nor do they actually fear losing it. They’d dismantle it in a heartbeat if it means staying in power. They just fear losing the election so they frame it in a way that projects their sins onto the opposition and convinces the people the right wing are the true authoritarians and the left is “doing what’s necessary” to protect the nation from them.
The left doesn’t care about democracy nor do they actually fear losing it. They’d dismantle it in a heartbeat if it means staying in power. They just fear losing the election so they frame it in a way that projects their sins onto the opposition and convinces the people the right wing are the true authoritarians and the left is “doing what’s necessary” to protect the nation from them.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Iron filings to a magnet.
irony is claiming the "gaslight media" makes the population hyper-focused on abortion when, in this thread, it's the one aspect of my OP being hyper-focused on (while being only a small part of the OP and not the main point at all).
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:58 am to AggieHank86
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This seems to be the new term for people who are smarter, better-read and more-thoughtful than the person using the term.
Ah yes, those are certainly the qualities that immediately come to mind for people that think the mccloskeys destroyed their own gate, rittenhouse committed murder, 9/11 was the result of US isolationism, there were actual gallows in dc on January 6 and people intended to hang Mike pence with them, and fully support the sexualization of children.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:58 am to jimmy the leg
Not reading all of that but slavery was accepted once, too. Thankfully, some had the guts to call it out for the abomination it is.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 8:59 am to Bunk Moreland
Pepe doesnt sound like a butthurt lefty
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Lula, always an exceptional negotiator, managed to win against the formidable state machine apparatus unleashed by Bolsonaro, which saw the distribution of billions of dollars in vote-buying; an avalanche of fake news; outright intimidation and attempts of voter suppression against the poor by rabid Bolsonarists; and countless episodes of political violence.
Lula inherits a devastated nation that, much like the US
Posted on 11/5/22 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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abortion being legal is accepted as a preferred policy by more than a simple majority of the country
Then Dobbs shouldn't matter.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 9:00 am to the808bass
quote:SFP tends to show his work, rather than making two-sentence, bumper-sticker posts.
If you would commit to what you’re trying to say, your posts would be shorter and would be more likely to make a cogent point.
His posts take longer to read than the average, but they include more substance by an order of magnitude.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/5/22 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Dobbs is the backbone of this argument today
Posted on 11/5/22 at 9:01 am to Open Your Eyes
Yawn
Posted on 11/5/22 at 9:01 am to tide06
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The MAGA movement has done nothing to suggest they are not democratic in every possible metric. Period.
Again, see: Dobbs.
No matter how you spin it, 60% of the country sees that decision as an attack on their rights. For the people far on the poles of the Left, that's just the first step.
Remember post Dobbs when people on this board were making the same argument (that Dobbs was just the first step to undoing other cases)?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 9:01 am to tide06
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In reality the “end of democracy” theme is just another projection where the left, which has fully embraced a totalitarian globalist vision that is only mildly democratic and does not value at all the constitution and individual rights. They continue to act straight out of the Alinsky playbook and are blaming the right for what they themselves intend to do.
This is absolutely correct.
And the Marxist definition of democracy is voting in Marxists.
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