re: Pope: “You ain’t pro life”.

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you deserve full force pain.

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You will probably find very very few people who would agree that any immigrant, legal or illegal, should be tortured.

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Leo does not say the deportation of immigrants; he is saying the inhuman treatment of immigrants.

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But this is exactly what he means. Deportation to him is the inhumane treatment.

Genesis 9:6

Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed

Exodus 21:12

Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death


Is every Pope a progressive scumbag?

Jesus was not against the death penalty Leo

Gospel of Luke

39* Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us.”

40The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, “Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation?

41And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal.”v

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”w

43He replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise

Nowhere in there does Jesus command that the criminal He forgave should be released.

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I'm not a biblical scholar, but pretty sure the Bible allows for the death penalty

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Yep. Being a Christian isn’t a get out of jail card from punishment for your crimes against the state.

Abortion and the death penalty in our justice system are two entirely separate issues.

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More specifically, the pope acts as Christ’s representative on earth,

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I understand that's how Catholics view him, which is why I thought the statement about him representing Catholics was worth correcting.

I’m so glad I don’t have to follow the King of Catholics.

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The pope is not for open borders, he is against inhuman treatment of people.

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I would like to think it's as simple as that, and I largely agree with your take on page 1, as well as with many posters who say the US isn't treating immigrants inhumanely. Shelter, food, and medical treatment is sufficient... detention centers should not be a posh resort.

What the Pope says though appears to be semantically imprecise in a way that is tacit criticism of the US policy:

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“Someone who says that ‘I’m against abortion, but I’m in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants in the United States,’ I don’t know if that’s pro-life.”

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He gives himself wiggle room with his "I don't know". At best, his "I dont know" is an admission that immigration is a complex problem with many facets: immigrants should follow the law and the govt/ICE should do what they have to do to enforce it, but shouldn't take TOO much pleasure in terrorizing immigrants (a fair warning from a moral perspective).

But I can't help but read between the lines a little and think the Pope knows that his intentionally imprecise language is an appeasement to the Left who wants to criticize how Trump's admin/ICE is actively ramping up deportations. Of course, he isn't overtly criticizing Trump/ICE, but he is giving an unnecessary soundbite that allows critics to condemn ICE activities as potentially inhumane when they are not... with the possible exception of a random officer here and there being too zealous.

If he is going to speak on a topic like this, he must be prepared to go all in instead of straddling the fence as he does here... giving a little nugget to the Left while pretending to not be against the Right.

He should clarify his position beyond framing immigrants as poor humans who are randomly passing through an area trying to live without political context. He should be ready to speak to the plotting of countless NGO's and intergovernmental organization like the UN (which is borderline supra-governmental since it has deployed troops at times) and their involvement in throwing money and incentives to induce the current immigration issue... and how they train immigrants to falsely claim asylum (last I looked, lying isn't condoned and aligns you to the Father of Lies). He should be ready to discuss the role of certain... churches... that make money by helping illegal immigrants.

And he needs to address how immigrants should not be breaking the law to get here. While some may point to Jesus saying "obey God rather than men," in Acts 5:29, that comes into play when the laws of man force someone into a morally compromised position of committing sin. I don't see how accepting UN/Open Society/USAid funds to be a freeloader by evading border agents and ICE is a morally superior / innocent position.

One can also interpret Jesus saying to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's as obedience to laws that don't morally compromise you (as discussed in the previous paragraph).

And perhaps the most instructive example might be looking at Jesus himself. As he prayed in the Garden of Gethsemene, knowing that the po-po would be enroute to arrest him soon, did he flee or did he cooperate with the authorities when they showed up? ... I fully support ICE treating immigrants with humanity and dignity. But sometimes the immigrants make it hard.