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re: Pope (emeritus) Benedict has died
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:52 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:52 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:That’s why I said, “It’s when we interpret the Bible by other standards (our own sinful desires or our traditions) that it becomes murky.”
And yet there are so many different views out there about what they say
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:55 am to FooManChoo
Those other views are wrong and are based on interpretation using other standards. My views are correct.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:57 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:You seem bitter. I suggest you read the scriptures, yourself.
Those other views are wrong and are based on interpretation using other standards. My views are correct.
Got it.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:57 am to Jack Carter
quote:
Didn't they force him to resign so the pope could take over?
His butler stole some Vatican secrets and gave them to a reporter. He resigned because he didn’t want to embarrass the church.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:58 am to FooManChoo
quote:
“It’s when we interpret the Bible by other standards (our own sinful desires or our traditions) that it becomes murky.”
So anytime a Protestant minister interprets it?
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:00 am to FooManChoo
I’m not bitter, and I have read them.
I just find your catholic hatred to be funny.
I just find your catholic hatred to be funny.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:03 am to blueboy
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First Pope to abdicate in 600 years, so the gay communist could reign. Yeah, nothing to see there.
His all too convenient resignation surely made possible one of the predictions in Jean Raspail's Camp of the Saints.
That there would be a Pope from South America who would do his part in selling out the West.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:04 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:But why read them if there is no way for us to know what they say on our own? Why not only read commentaries and listen to sermons/homilies from the leadership of the church?
I’m not bitter, and I have read them.
quote:I certainly hate the organization, as I believe it teaches another gospel than what Christ and the Apostles delivered, and therefore it leads many astray.
I just find your catholic hatred to be funny.
I don’t hate individual Catholics, though. I didn’t even hate Benedict. I don’t want to hate anyone.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
quote:Not necessarily, though there are many Protestants that let their own traditions get in the way of sound interpretation.
So anytime a Protestant minister interprets it?
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:14 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Paul told us to listen to different versions and discern what made sense. He also told us that people have different convictions. This is antithetical to the overarching premise of the RCC - one man dictates all, and sin is what he says it is. No meat... on Friday... during Lent...
Your interpretation of the scriptures.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:16 am to GhostOfFreedom
quote:When the devil in disguise reaches his pinnacle he becomes a Pope.
The one doing Satan's work will probably live a long time and continue to inflict WEF communism on the world.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:16 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:I love Catholics, I just hate the arrogance and most of the power structure. Paul also told us to not be conceited in our faith, but I'm sure Pope So-and-so in the 8th Century wrote an essay that explained why it's okay to be conceited and that sola scriptura was an annoying restriction on the RCC like the Bill of Rights is to the US government.
I just find your catholic hatred to be funny.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:32 am to Chief One Word
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quote:The one doing Satan's work will probably live a long time and continue to inflict WEF communism on the world. When the devil in disguise reaches his pinnacle he becomes a Pope.
Jesus himself was called a demon, fake, and evil. You lack true faith and understanding of the Catholic Church and faith.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:35 am to LatinTiger30
both were pure evil,the whole vatican
so was mother teresa
so was mother teresa
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:35 am to LatinTiger30
quote:You have gluten-free wafers for Communion. Even you don't truly believe.
You lack true faith and understanding of the Catholic Church and faith.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:43 am to FooManChoo
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The early church looked nothing like the current Roman Catholic Church.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. As it applies to the Lord's Day celebrated in the early Church and the Sunday Holy Catholic Mass, nothing has changed.
I submit the following for your enlightenment......
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and *the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, **bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead".- A description of the Lord's Day celebration from the 2nd Century by Justin - Martyr. From his First Apologies - Chapter 67 - Weekly Worship of the Christians.
*today we refer to that part of the Holy Mass as the Liturgy of the Word.
**today we refer to that part of the Holy Mass as the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
So every action described by Justin-Martyr in that Sunday celebration of the early Church occurs today in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on Sunday.
Ultimately THE most important action of the Church is the communal gathering of the Body of Christ (that be us) on Sunday.
The Holy (Catholic) Sacrifice of the Mass is a continual uninterrupted Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross that began on the night before he died. At any moment of the day, somewhere on this globe a priest(s) is celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus in the Mass.
So my friend the Catholic Church has not changed. Rather she (the Catholic Church) continues the mission given to her by Jesus Himself. Namely, that being instructing the believers to "eat my (His) flesh, and drink my (His) blood" (John 6:56) and spreading the Gospel.
Now let's prayer for unity among His believers.
Are you curious? Come and see.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:19 pm to Zarkinletch416
quote:What you quoted is very similar to what my own church does once per month in coming to the table of the Lord's Supper, which is also called Communion.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. As it applies to the Lord's Day celebration conducted in the early Church and the Sunday Holy Catholic Mass, nothing has changed.
I submit the following for your enlightenment......
Providing an example of a practice that was laid out in scripture that Protestants also participate in isn't an argument against what I said. Our church also reads "the memoirs of the apostles" (the New Testament writings) "or the writings of the prophets" (the Old Testament writings) during our service and we also bring bread and wine (or juice). We don't bring water because we don't continue the practice of watering down the wine as to not become intoxicated.
quote:Again, it's good that a practice that was established by Christ and continued by the Apostles continues to this day, though I'd argue that what Rome does with it is a sacrilege of the sacrament, but that doesn't address what I said about Roman Catholicism of today looking nothing like the early Church. Even the example you provided from ~100 years after Christ didn't describe "the mass" like Rome celebrates it today. I read that paragraph and thought, "hey, that sounds very similar to how we do it, and we aren't Catholic".
So every action described in that Sunday celebration of the early Church by Justin-Martyr occurs today in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on Sunday.
Ultimately THE most important action of the Church is the communal gathering of the Body of Christ (that be us) on Sunday.
The Holy Catholic Sacrifice of the Mass is the continual uninterrupted sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross that began on the night before he died. At any moment of the day, somewhere on this globe a priest(s) is celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus in the Mass
quote:There is much more to the Church than providing the sacraments, though proper and faithful administration of the sacraments is one of the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ.
So my friend the Catholic Church has not changed. Rather she (the Catholic Church) continues the mission given to her by Jesus Himself. Namely, that being instructing the believers to "eat my (His) flesh, and drink my (His) blood" (John 6:56)
As I said, the early church looked nothing like what Rome is today. From having a singular "Pope" that acts as head over the church on earth to the Marian dogmas, the church of Rome would look utterly unrecognizable to the early Christians if they were able to see what has become of her.
quote:I pray for that often, but such unity would require a drastic change in central doctrine that only God could provide through another reformation.
Now let's prayer for unity among His believers.
quote:I believe in both the peace (unity) and purity of the Church, but would not give up the purity of worship for the sake of peace. Peace with God supersedes even peace within the body of Christ, though I do long for that peace and unity.
Are you curious? Come and see.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:24 pm to FooManChoo
Your church only has communion once a month?
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:30 pm to Godfather1
RIP.
A few years ago visited the beautiful cathedral in Munich where he was the bishop for years. I remember reading the plaques in there honoring him.
A few years ago visited the beautiful cathedral in Munich where he was the bishop for years. I remember reading the plaques in there honoring him.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:43 pm to Zarkinletch416
quote:
You can drop books as in the Epistle of James.
quote:
I believe that's called 'pick and choose' Christianity.
This is rich given the known "picking and choosing" of the church - leaving out many "inconvenient" books (such as the gnostic gospels)...including the one where a teenage Jesus wanders around zapping kids out of rage.
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