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re: Pope (emeritus) Benedict has died

Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:38 am to
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The Council of Trent banned the office of indulgence seller. Therefore it previously condoned the practice


False.

You could never “buy” indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences that led to Martin Luther protesting was in relation to indulgences where alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the reason to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences.

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I will go read my heretical BCP and probably go to hell for loving Christ


As my priest would say "if you're going to be Anglican, then be the best Anglican you can be". The church doesn't teach that you have to be Roman Catholic to go to Heaven.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 8:40 am
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
146 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:19 am to
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s my priest would say "if you're going to be Anglican, then be the best Anglican you can be". The church doesn't teach that you have to be Roman Catholic to go to Heaven.


What does the church teach about how to go to heaven?
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
863 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:30 am to
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What does the church teach about how to go to heaven?


To summarize: repent, have faith, and be baptized. From there, remain in a state of grace.

Here is a good short and sweet article written by a former Calvinist on the topic:

How to get to Heaven

Since this is bound to stir up an argument on whether or not one can lose their salvation, here is a link to a very good debate between a Catholic and Calvinist on the topic.

Once saved always saved debate
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
146 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:41 am to
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To summarize: repent, have faith, and be baptized. From there, remain in a state of grace.


How do you remain in a state of grace?

Edited to add follow up question: How do you repent?
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 9:47 am
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
863 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:05 am to
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How do you remain in a state of grace?

Edited to add follow up question: How do you repent?


Those are both covered in the first link in my previous post. To summarize, you remain in a state of Grace by avoiding mortal sin.

We repent by turning away from sin or anything that would lead us away from God.
Posted by Foch
Member since Feb 2015
730 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:28 pm to
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the simple faith of the apostles


RC revert here, I was baptized and not well formed. This led to some wandering until I fell into line with Reformed thinking for a number of years. The stumbling block that led "back across the Tiber" was sola scriptura. You earlier stated that you left Catholicism for a confessional form of Protestantism (i may have missed the specific branch). How do you square sola scriptura when the Biblical evidence for it is lacking, the historical practice was not possible (in the early Church) or not visible once It was bound (prior to Luther's revolt)?
Posted by Foch
Member since Feb 2015
730 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:36 pm to
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Another "thought" leader for mid-wit white male atheists without a positive father figure.


On this, we can heartily agree. Yet, do Sam Harris or any of his fellow travelers exist without the dawn of Protestant-birthed moral relativism ushered in through the "enlightenment"?

Making each man his own denomination and arbiter of Truth brought forth the bitter fruit of the protestant rebellion: the "personal truth". Harris is latest in a long line of radical individualists who reject the authority of God and all Christianity, just as Protestants rejected God's designs for a universal Church and the accompanying sacraments. When men decide that their fleeting might makes right we shouldn't be suprised to see the chaos unfold.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48280 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:18 pm to
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Making each man his own denomination and arbiter of Truth brought forth the bitter fruit of the protestant rebellion: the "personal truth". Harris is latest in a long line of radical individualists who reject the authority of God and all Christianity, just as Protestants rejected God's designs for a universal Church and the accompanying sacraments. When men decide that their fleeting might makes right we shouldn't be suprised to see the chaos unfold.


Amen.
Posted by Leotiger725
Member since Jan 2021
792 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:48 pm to
Read the link the OP posted.

Their words, not mine
Posted by Bayoubred
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2011
3357 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:56 pm to
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And I really wish you Protestants would study up on Greek and Aramaic. In Greek, "petros" is the masculine and "petra" is the feminine. Tell me why Matthew would choose a feminine name to describe a male adult? Also...Jesus would have been speaking Aramaic to Simon Peter in this instance. In Aramaic, there is only ONE word for rock: kephas.



Did you not see where I ascribed the gender to each word. All things "attached" to the earth in Greek are FEMININE. Christ is the figurative FOUNDATION stone of the church! It's not literal! It doesn't matter what gender the word is!

I'm not Protestant. Baptists didn't come out of Catholicsm. We were here first and you killed 50 million of us because we re-baptized Catholics. Read a book (Foxe's Book of Martyrs).
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56010 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 8:20 pm to
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Then what of the obsessive Marian worship? RCC's prayers assigned to HER they believe confer Divine power as a "Mediatrix" TO Jesus Christ? What of the supposed "Mediation" of the Saints -- again as "Mediator" TO Jesus Christ?


I would guess the point at issue comes from the 2nd Vatican Council. When it says the following.

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62. This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.

This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator. For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer. Just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by the ministers and by the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.


show me in the above quotation where Mary has "divine" power? You may glance over the most important part of the paragraph. I've bolded it.

But basically Jesus Christ is the one meditator but he allows us to cooperate in bringing people to him and to the Father. Mary is the ultimate cooperator in the salvation Jesus gave us. She said yes to the will of God, her yes brought us salvation. I'm not saying that her yes is what saved us, but her yes is what allowed Jesus to be born and to save us.

I think this video helps to explain what is meant by mediatrix.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 8:23 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58559 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 8:24 pm to
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Read a book (Foxe's Book of Martyrs).


No doubt that is impartial.
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