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re: Politics are somewhat irrelevant, this shooter was a crazy person
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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be the better man
So............ Being the "better man" is racing to the Poli board and starting a thread saying the shooter was crazy and Republicans should be VERY careful how we describe this shooter.
Get real man.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 8:39 am
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
This is when we start getting into the depths of psychological analysis where the question becomes: is someone crazy solely because of the act they committed? Was Roof actually mentally ill, or did he just intentionally want to inflict pain? I know you get these concepts Slow. There are people in the world who with a knowing and calculated intent, commit heinous atrocities.
ETA: not making a call one way or the other on this specific instance, but just in general. People are quick to throw the "crazy" label around in an effort to insulate themselves from the thought that people exist who willingly choose to do terrible, violent things to others.
ETA: not making a call one way or the other on this specific instance, but just in general. People are quick to throw the "crazy" label around in an effort to insulate themselves from the thought that people exist who willingly choose to do terrible, violent things to others.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:38 am to BigJim
quote:The most prudent course of action.
Or can we at least wait even just a few hours and get some information?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:39 am to DelU249
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Fox Mulder
Now is not the time for your humorless attn seeking posts
Take a break
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Ain't buying it.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
You know nothing about the motivations of this shooter. Labeling him as crazy is as foolish as any other label that might be applied at this point.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:39 am to Pettifogger
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the rhetoric of rednecks on this board talking about making streets run red with liberal blood?
This board consistently wanks itself off to the thought of killing political opponents. The crazies on this board have no moral high ground here.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
By definition, you can label anyone who shoots people "crazy," but that doesn't mean that politics weren't his motive - as evidenced by the fact that he targeted Republicans. 
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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be the better man
You gain nothing by being the better man in politics. So if the goals are political, you can't be the better man.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Republicans, you need to be VERY careful in how you describe this shooter and the overall motivations/policies involved
Dimocrats....you are sick fricking individuals.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:40 am to uway
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But I think we are mistaken to blame "extremism and rhetoric" as such. FALSE rhetoric is a problem. True rhetoric has a place in society. Even "extremist" rhetoric has a place, especially when widely accepted things are actually untrue.
well i think the bigger issue is that it doesn't take "Extremist" rhetoric for these crazy lone wolf killers
i agree with you that truth and true rhetoric have a place in our society. but even those can be used by unstable people who latch onto ideologies and become obsessive. it's just a part of human life
like i said earlier, we can't extrapolate "big ideas" based on isolated, idiosyncratic crazy people. when you try to do that, you have to go down a very dark and scary path
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:40 am to uway
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But I think we are mistaken to blame "extremism and rhetoric" as such. FALSE rhetoric is a problem. True rhetoric has a place in society. Even "extremist" rhetoric has a place, especially when widely accepted things are actually untrue.
This is true, but you and I probably disagree on what's true. I don't think it's true that Obama is an evil communist who was a traitor, but you might. That's the problem with the "truth" caveat, although I think what you're saying is accurate in a vacuum.
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If this guy was a left winger motivated by libelous anti-Trump rhetoric, that needs to be thrown in the left's (And John McCain's) face mercilessly.
Disagree. And it's fricking weird that this all comes back to Trump for you guys. John McCain shite talking Trump is not going to lead me to blame John McCain for some dude shooting GOP politicians unless there is some much better tie.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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if Dylan Roof isn't a sign of institutional racism in America,
Exactly what institution did Roof represent?
Are there racists in America? Of course.
But - there are also murderers, thieves, pedophiles, rapists, etc and there is no 'institutional' inference to their ill behavior.
There can be no perfect human institution - because humans are innately fallible and each possesses some imperfection or demon. Most humans use their inherent character and moral fiber to override their bad impulses. Crazy people do not have that capacity.
The allegation of 'racism' no longer has any relevancy - it has been diluted by the DEM/MSM cabal for so long that anything politically inconvenient to the Prog agenda is labelled 'racist.' They have successfully associated 'conservatism' with 'racism' - so I just automatically reject any allegation of 'racism.'
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:41 am to bamarep
Targeted the ranking member on the field. Coincidence? Beginner's luck?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am to Damone
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This is when we start getting into the depths of psychological analysis where the questions becomes: is someone crazy solely because of the act they did?
i think there are some acts that put you on that side
opening up fire on a group of unarmed, innocent people is within that group of acts
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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if you engage in the same behavior, you're no better
I agree, and you're getting a lot of shite for cautioning people to avoid that, which just shows how eager some are to use this for political fights.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Dylan Roof
Crazy person? Is that why there's been a wholesale assault on the Battle Flag and Confederate monuments and memorials since the shooting? Because of the actions of a lone crazy person?
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Adam Lanza
Yes, an actual crazy person. But, that didn't stop Dems from using Sandy Hook as a springboard for gun control (including proposing restrictions that would not have prevented him from obtaining and using the same guns he used in his attack).
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Omar Mateen
Unless you are implying that followers of Islam are crazy (and there's substantial support for that position), no one has referred to him in that fashion because what he did had ZERO implications relative to gun policy (despite Hillary's and Obama's efforts).
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am to Tiger Lake
Are actually accusing SFP, one of the staunchest right libertarian posters on the board, of being a Democrat?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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like i said earlier, we can't extrapolate "big ideas" based on isolated, idiosyncratic crazy people. when you try to do that, you have to go down a very dark and scary path
Democrats have no problem extrapolating big ideas based on purposeful misinterpretation of sane people.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:42 am to Pettifogger
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I agree. There is a sliver of the country who truly hold radical racist beliefs. I blame them for the culture that produced Roof (and Roof, of course).
But I don't go further than that.
If this guy turns out to be an ANTIFA protestor, I'll blame ANTIFA and the fringe left. But I'm not going to be blaming Joe Scarborough for calling Trump a fascist, or saying the GOP wants to take your healthcare away, etc.
Nope nope nope.
Roof happened in an era where "racism" is universally demonized throughout polite society. He could find zero justification for his beliefs outside of his own experience and a very small piece of the internet.
That's a stark contrast with the current situation in which any and all left wingers can find widespread implicit justification for their hate from mainstream, popular sources. From nearly all of our elite and popular voices.
So don't equate this with Roof.
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