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re: Philosophical question - if a foreign nation is subsidizing a product that they export
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:02 am to tigeraddict
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:02 am to tigeraddict
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I kills the domestic market. They “under sell” due to the subsidy. Once domestic market is killed and they control the market share. They remove subsidies and can then set the price. In the long run we pay more and lose jobs in the process. Then they roll to the next commodity to attack the same way.
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:03 am to Powerman
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China heavily subsidizes solar panels. Great. We need more energy on the grid. Why not buy the shite out of them and let China subsidize a portion of our grid expansion?
We don’t need “more energy on the grid” ….. ( solar , wind)
We need more sensible, baseload energy on the grid ….. (natgas, nuclear)
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:08 am to Powerman
Your argument isn’t philosophical. It’s just the same argument for offshoring American manufacturing for decades now.
Is it cheaper? Yes.
Does China pay for it? In part, but those subsidies are reimbursed when the American consumer purchases the product.
Here’s the kicker. We now have a critical American infrastructure dependent upon the manufacturing capacity of our largest geopolitical foe. We could have this conversation over 100’s of raw materials. Is it worth it? Is it right? Does this strategy of short term cost savings position the USA better in the future?
Is it cheaper? Yes.
Does China pay for it? In part, but those subsidies are reimbursed when the American consumer purchases the product.
Here’s the kicker. We now have a critical American infrastructure dependent upon the manufacturing capacity of our largest geopolitical foe. We could have this conversation over 100’s of raw materials. Is it worth it? Is it right? Does this strategy of short term cost savings position the USA better in the future?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:10 am to tigeraddict
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I kills the domestic market. They “under sell” due to the subsidy.
Once domestic market is killed and they control the market share. They remove subsidies and can then set the price. In the long run we pay more and lose jobs in the process.
Which examples do we have to analyze?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:10 am to Powerman
How are we going to buy products? Tariffs means everyone stops trading and we get a Great Depression.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:17 am to Powerman
Solar energy is dependent on good weather conditions like sunlight, clouds, rain, snow and nighttime conditions tend to hamper gathering power. The conditions need to extract immense amounts of material for usages all are fossil fuel sources, then you have the the environmental issues & pollutants to deal with the lifecycles of the finished products. All of these outweigh the benefits. And that’s just the beginning of the problems with solar.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:18 am to jimmy the leg
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I kills the domestic market. They “under sell” due to the subsidy
Is it your opinion that our govt hasnt been subsidizing solar?
Or autos? Washing machines?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
Move the goal posts much? China benefits from the subsidies and tariffs and I pointed out how…. If they garner no benefit, there would be no subsidy or tariff…
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:25 am to The Maj
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China benefits from the subsidies and tariffs and I pointed out how…
So do you, benefit from their subsidies.
Do we subsidize industry? (Think hard)
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Hopefully the select few that owns everything treats all us peasants well!
We'll get a stipend and do gig work.
Thats how it will go.
Sounds like some shitty dystopian life
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:27 am to scottydoesntknow
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Sounds like some shitty dystopian life
Its our future.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its our future.
So you call everyone that is trying to avert this, commies...but your future you are resigned to is a select few that own industry being taxed and massive money being "borrowed" and printed to distribute out meager stipends by the government.
You do you man, but we voted to NOT go down this path
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:06 am to scottydoesntknow
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So you call everyone that is trying to avert this, commies.
You cant tell the difference between a valued opinion and a prediction.
Thats embarrassing.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So you call everyone that is trying to avert this, commies.
You cant tell the difference between a valued opinion and a prediction.
Thats embarrassing.
I dont care about your opinion. You are a POS nasty person who made his money off the taxpayer and deserves zero respect
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 9:18 am
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:19 am to scottydoesntknow
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I dont care about your opinion.
You dont care about any facts either.
Which is why you cling to convenient lies.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I dont care about your opinion.
You dont care about any facts either.
Which is why you cling to convenient lies.
Cool story boomer
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:32 am to Colonel Flagg
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We got 2 things going on
1. Why do we want to take advantage of labor in this way? The countries are doing something necessarily more efficiently. They are just paying poverty wages.
2. We have unions that are trying to get paid above the skil level of the job which is forcing manufacturers out of the country.
It’s an opinion that unions are trying to get paid above the skill level of the job. The other side of the coin being that unions are simply trying to obtain a FAIR wage.
Manufacturing did JUST FINE before we began outsourcing to the 3rd world - we had a robust middle class with lots of manufacturing jobs that kept our economy robust.
Greed has led us to where we are today,
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:00 pm to dgnx6
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How are we going to buy products? Tariffs means everyone stops trading and we get a Great Depression.
So you're in favor of a great depression? WTF
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:04 pm to Powerman
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Example - China heavily subsidizes solar panels. Great. We need more energy on the grid.
That might be OK up to a point.
If you balance tips over to dependence on those goods, especially those key to defense, medicine, etc. then you have put your survival into the hands of your supplier.
Too much of a good thing is not a good thing.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Phones, lightbulbs, TVs, 97% of our clothing…
It’s a combination of subsidies, outsourcing, differing labor laws, environmental restrictions and other “free trade” policies.
These 7 Things are No Longer Made in the USA
It’s a combination of subsidies, outsourcing, differing labor laws, environmental restrictions and other “free trade” policies.
These 7 Things are No Longer Made in the USA
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