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re: People Basically Approving of the Murder of the United Healthcare CEO

Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:06 am to
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:06 am to
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If you want control, you need to pay for it. As long as you're dependent, you will not have the control you seek. I learned that as a teenager.

Til the rules are changed this is a fantasy
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36766 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:07 am to
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Not true at all.



Greed is not inherently evil. Greed at the expense of others is.


If I could create a product that has a huge market that nobody else knows how to make, and being first I become the market leader and usually will stay there, that is greed. But I also employ lots of people, give back to community, etc.


If I shared that same knowledge with thousands of people and we all make the same product, it is essentially worthless to everyone.

If my business partner and I create a product, and then I cut him out of the company because I know we have a winner and I don't want to share the spoils, that is evil greed.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:07 am to
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Better than using an appeal to ridicule with language like "tied up in knots". Nobody, I'm pretty sure, is tied up in knots or clutching their pearls because some stranger they've never heard of prior to now got shot in NY.

This topic is about the reaction to the murder, not the murder.

Would it have been better if I asked the question this way - "would your sensibilities be similarly offended if someone reacted to the assassination of Mayorkas with similar indifference or even approval?"

I think it's the same question, but okay - still interested in the answer.

I can't be the only guy that has thought about whether there's a line that can't be crossed, and if so - where it is.
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:08 am to
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its a service your purchasing. You dont have to purchase it.

You have no choice in the matter. The game dictates you buy insurance or you can die. Is that really much of a choice?
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30763 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:08 am to
He was a scumbag, who ran a super scummy company.

I can see some people not shedding a tear
You do reap what you sow.

Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36766 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:09 am to

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Then quote it. There's a reason you keep using your own words and not mine


Here ya go

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but when it comes down to it we care about us and ours.

Then why do people have a problem with a greedy CEO?...



Now care to address my example of why someone would have a problem with it, up to and including murdering him over it?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:12 am to
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I can't be the only guy that has thought about whether there's a line that can't be crossed, and if so - where it is.


Not at all, but don't you think that would require some pretty serious introspection and thought? Something beyond 'frick the elite' or 'frick insurance CEOs'?

A lot of the stuff I'm reading here is textbook Occupy Wall St, antifa, and the left's reactions to the assassination attempt. That should give pause, because it doesn't end well.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86175 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:12 am to
The reaction to his murder is completely predictable. Denied healthcare claims destroy so many lives. It would follow that the non-virtuous mob or those otherwise aggrieved would tacitly or otherwise approve of a Healthcare CEO being murdered. In death he is dehumanized and turned into a symbol, his humanity denied. That's our culture now.

We see a similar dehumanization with the Trump assassination attempt. His humanity was entirely denied by some, and he was grotesquely and perversely made responsible for his own near-death. It's a weakening of the American mind, a kind of casual moral collapse of "good" people, the denial of their humanity. Whatever it is, this mind virus of the aggrieved that denies the humanity of others is growing. People strongly prefer narratives that conform to their internal dialogues than grapple with the moral implications of their beliefs. And it's spreading.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:13 am to
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Now care to address my example


No, because you're too stupid to follow a conversation.
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:13 am to
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Nah. We're here because we expect "someone else" to pay our bills.

I don't see any of our leaders clamoring to lower healthcare prices back down to a point where the average american could pay as they go.
You know your argument is bullshite.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:15 am to
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That's our culture now.


It didn't used to be the culture for the conservative side of the aisle; not to the extent it existed with the left.

That may have changed.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:15 am to
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Greed is not inherently evil. Greed at the expense of others is.
Greed is sinful because it has an over-emphasis on self and is covetous.

It's not inherently evil to seek to procure wealth for good reasons, or at least not sinful reasons, but greed is sinful, and thus evil.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36766 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:15 am to
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No, because you're too stupid to follow a conversation.






I'm sorry you can't connect dots buddy. At no point did I say it was right or that it wouldn't be hypocritical, but there's a very easy connection to how someone could act that way and for whatever reason you can't wrap your head around it.

Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35676 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:16 am to
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I don’t feel bad about it one bit.



Because you've lost all your humanity if you ever had any.



Get fricked, Roger.
DGAF about this elitist a-hole buying the farm is NOT cheering it on or lack of humanity.
Personally I feel for his family but it's not a whole hellofa lot.
Pretty much on the cusp of who cares.
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:16 am to
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I get that insurance companies are scummy but murdering people in cold blood isn't how a civil society does things

Start seeing instances like this one will quickly lead to some changes in the consumers favor
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82444 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:17 am to

Private insurance is basically a socialist system.

Unlike government socialism, it is voluntary (or was up until Obamacare).

Any socialist system is going to ration the resources. Someone is going to be denied and when it comes to healthcare that may literally be denial of life.
Someone is making those decisions.

When you game this system out it will always lead to someone somewhere being distraught to the point where they believe someone made the decision to kill them or someone they love. And this is true whether or not the system is government run or private run.

In short, this is entirely predictable.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36766 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:17 am to
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It's not inherently evil to seek to procure wealth for good reasons, or at least not sinful reasons, but greed is sinful, and thus evil.



This is a very circular statement. I know about the camel and the needle and all of that, but I would like to think that God does not hold it against someone for enjoying the spoils while also providing for others.

The more you have the more you have to give. But first you must procure
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 11:18 am
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:18 am to
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This doesnt work for medical services.


It does for insurance

No it doesn't and you damn well know it.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:18 am to
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Who else do you want murdered? By all means, go ahead and give us your list.


Credit card CEO maybe.

Kidding! I'm kidding!
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35676 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:24 am to
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A lot of the stuff I'm reading here is textbook Occupy Wall St, antifa, and the left's reactions to the assassination attempt. That should give pause, because it doesn't end well.


What you're seeing is reactance to an overabundance of virtue signaling.
It has nothing to do with society. Individuals, especially here, are just fricking over it.

Some posters here would bitch just as much reading a bunch of "Ts&Ps."
Bitch about it ad nauseum.
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