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re: Pence finally weighs in on the election
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:50 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:50 am to AggieHank86
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The simple fact is that Donald Trump assumed office with absolutely no understanding of government whatsoever.
Not so sure about that assertion. Trump has had government officials in his sphere for decades as a businessman. He would have to know something about the law to do business in multiple states and multiple countries.
What he no doubt had no understanding of was the depth and breadth of the systematic corruption that has metastasized in the federal government in the last 20 years or so.
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:52 am to Sentrius
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Before the riot where just 13 GOP senators had pledged to support objections from GOP Congressmen?
Sure, then the margin goes down to a supermajority of 79-80 senators voting to remove Pence.
Leadership is a thing. When Pence waved the white flag, everyone fell in line. Had Pence made the constitutional crisis argument, everything is different.
People like yourself are why the party is done. You keep defending the GOPe career politicians. It reveals who you are.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:57 am to AggieHank86
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Ignore the law. Part the Red Sea. You name it.
Ignore the law to fix Dems ignoring of the laws?
Why not? turnabout is fair play.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:01 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Ignore the law to fix Dems ignoring of the laws?
Why not? turnabout is fair play.
When someone fires a gun at you, firing back isn’t against the law.
This is the basic equivalent situation. They fired the nuke and dared the Republicans to fire back. The Sentrius Type Republicans combined with the wolves in sheep’s clothing, could/would not react.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:01 pm to moneyg
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Leadership is a thing. When Pence waived the white flag, everyone fell in line.
They were never there to begin with. They were already in line. A prohibitive majority of GOP senators were never going to support the objection no matter what you mistakenly think Pence was capable of doing.
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People like yourself are why the party is done. You keep defending the GOPe career politicians. It reveals who you are.
Defending =/= acknowledging reality.
Btw, the only thing I'm defending here is the constitution. The Vice President has no authority to do what you and Trump wanted him to do.
Oh and speaking of GOPe, I was laughing at Trump endorsing Tim Scott and Jerry Moran the past week in sheer incredulity that he's still endorsing GOPe stooges who never advanced much of the America First agenda the last 4 years. His post-presidency will be the same as his presidency where he allowed his admin to get flooded with RINO trash from the RNC and the hill.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:02 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
i disagree. we literally had governors changing election law under the auspices of emergency powers. Legislatures, constitutionally tasked with these laws, protested and watchdogs were pushed out. So, as a matter of principle, is the "enforcement" of unconstitutionally applied law any better than no enforcement of appropriate law? These changes were made on the eve of an election so they couldnt be challenged. This cant stand.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:03 pm to Sentrius
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I was laughing at Trump endorsing Tim Scott and Jerry Moran the past week in sheer incredulity that he's still endorsing GOPe stooges
I’m sure you were you establishment piece of shite.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:05 pm to GurleyGirl
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Yet he did not act on his concerns.
Too late to be citing the obvious irregularities at this point.
Classic GOPe - fantastic problem "identifiers", great talkers, but when the time comes to "act"? They just prefer being the loyal opposition. They live the same life, no responsibilities, no accountability.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:09 pm to moneyg
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I’m sure you were you establishment piece of shite.
My posts about Tim Scott last night.
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Scott is a genuinely nice guy. I met him at the SC Bar Convention in Charleston some years ago and was really amazed at how personable he was without it being phony. That being said, he's always struck me as being a yes man for the establishment.
Tim Scott may be moderate and establishment and he's an asset for a governing majority but he should not confuse his role and stature in the GOP as a leader.
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Scott is on record as trash talking Trump though election and impeachment. This reminds me of Trump making Haspel head of CIA. You would hope that after last 4 years Trump would be careful about who he endorses.
What if I told you that Donald Trump is still getting bad political advice from the same people he’s been getting it from for the last 4 years, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump?
Javanka really brought an incredible Presidency down a few notches and they’re going to do the same with a post-presidency as well.
Just a few days ago, some real MAGA advisors had to talk him out of endorsing Jane Timken for Ohio Senate given her recent statements defending a vote for impeachment from GOP Congressman Anthony Gonzalez.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:13 pm to Jbird
Swamp monster
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:58 pm to Sentrius
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the only thing I'm defending here is the constitution. The Vice President has no authority to do what you and Trump wanted him to do.
bullshite Sentrius - this crisis was brought about when OTHER agencies in the govt had already ignored the constitution.
If an Executive agency can allow an unconstitutional change to election processes and safeguards, after-the-fact modifications of procedure, and no follow-up on any evidence of fraud - and if the Judicial system can insist on 'standing' on extra-constitutional processes having already happened, why then cannot the 'titular' executive in charge of the Congressional certification process refer the whole thing back to the constitutional proscription to allow the state representatives of the HoR to address the mess created by other - already purposeful lapses/contravention of clear constitutional duties.
Why must the last lawful authority stand by and let other criminal activists yell = "you don't have the AUTHORITY'
bullshite.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 1:01 pm to AggieHank86
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A wiser person would’ve learned, but Donald Trump is too much the narcissist to accept that he “did not know” anything. So he ignored both good advice and all efforts to educate him, and instead kept insisting and expecting the government of the United States to accommodate itself to Donald J Trump. That is how he ran his business operations, and he refused to acknowledge any other frame of reference.
Can you offer any examples of this?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 1:04 pm to ChineseBandit58
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bullshite Sentrius - this crisis was brought about when OTHER agencies in the govt had already ignored the constitution.
If an Executive agency can allow an unconstitutional change to election processes and safeguards, after-the-fact modifications of procedure, and no follow-up on any evidence of fraud - and if the Judicial system can insist on 'standing' on extra-constitutional processes having already happened, why then cannot the 'titular' executive in charge of the Congressional certification process refer the whole thing back to the constitutional proscription to allow the state representatives of the HoR to address the mess created by other - already purposeful lapses/contravention of clear constitutional duties.
Why must the last lawful authority stand by and let other criminal activists yell = "you don't have the AUTHORITY'
bullshite.
this
Posted on 3/3/21 at 1:55 pm to AggieHank86
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Ignore the law. Part the Red Sea. You name it.
But Pence is not alone. They expect the same of Kav, ACB, etcetera
You really don't care about "irregularities" or "changing of state statues" at the last minute etc. as long as Trump is out of the WH.. that's all that matters right? Ends justify the means..
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:00 pm to loogaroo
quote:in all fairness, reasonable posters like obtuse disagree. They have made a case that the election did not break any pa laws. There seems to be a legal impasse on the matter and, not being a lawyer, I have no idea who is right. What i am sure of is that if dems are involved, I'm very confident they acted illegally
The SOS's in swing states illegally changed the process
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:31 pm to bfniii
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They have made a case that the election did not break any pa laws.
From what I can tell it's more of a case that the legislature passed certain election laws that the state Democratic party sought to have applied/construed in a way or ways that the Republican-led legislature argued was not its intent. State Democrats filed suit that was ultimately heard by the PA Supreme Court at which point that court ruled in favor of the state Democrats. State Republicans sought review ultimately by the U.S. Supreme Court which declined to take up the matter(s), thus the PA Supreme Court's interpretation stood as law of the state at the time of the election, as it remains to this point.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:51 pm to bfniii
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What i am sure of is that if dems are involved, I'm very confident they acted illegally
truff
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:52 pm to davyjones
As I understand it, some argued that the approval for mail ins was supposed to be put up to a vote by state citizens. That never happened, ostensibly making the mail ins illegitimate. Obtuse, et al, have said the state legislature reserves the right to abrogate to s.o.s. on how to conduct that. That's why Kaley was telling them at the rally to "take their power back." Since they deferred, the s.o.s. approved the mail ins and that's legit.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:55 pm to coachcrisp
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coachcrisp
Watch and read Fox News a lot huh?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:58 pm to bfniii
Perhaps that was at the center of the ruckus in the state SC. SCOTUS did have the opportunity to settle some or all of their legal/election disputes and, of course, weaseled out. It all still must be rectified one way or another because as of this moment Pennsylvania is free to conduct 2022 elections in the same exact fashion as this last election. Yuck
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