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re: Pence finally weighs in on the election
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:46 am to Sentrius
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:46 am to Sentrius
quote:I think you can broaden this observation significantly.
What this board and Donald Trump included do not understand that the Vice President is a figurehead position with absolutely no power whatsoever.
The simple fact is that Donald Trump assumed office with absolutely no understanding of government whatsoever.
A wiser person would’ve learned, but Donald Trump is too much the narcissist to accept that he “did not know” anything. So he ignored both good advice and all efforts to educate him, and instead kept insisting and expecting the government of the United States to accommodate itself to Donald J Trump. That is how he ran his business operations, and he refused to acknowledge any other frame of reference.
I honestly wonder whether (to this day) Trump grasps anything more than the barest essentials of the Constitution OR the premise that his powers were not essentially unlimited.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 10:49 am
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:49 am to AggieHank86
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The simple fact is that Donald Trump assumed office with absolutely no understanding of government whatsoever.
He had no understanding of government whatsoever and that's a fact?
I don't think you know what those words mean.
I do agree in spirit that Trump underestimated what was going to occur, he is on his own.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:51 am to Jbird
Good for him...
Kicking Pence to the curb is a bit like beating the cat when the dog crapped on the floor.
Kicking Pence to the curb is a bit like beating the cat when the dog crapped on the floor.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:53 am to coachcrisp
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So are you saying that ALL people in nat'l politics are liars?
Yep, I don't trust any of them. They don't work for us, only for themselves.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:53 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Only through impeachment, and I don't see grounds to for impeachment. And that takes time.
No, they would not have had to impeach him. They would have voted on a motion to immediately replace him for failing to perform his legally mandated duties as VP.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:53 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Only through impeachment, and I don't see grounds to for impeachment. And that takes time.
The house can vote on impeachment in just an hour and the senate can do the same without a trial. Can be done in the same morning.
High crimes and misdemeanors is whatever Congress says it is, not what you think "grounds" is.
Also I believe that the senate can vote to gag/silence him on top of a motion to remove him if they so desire. I'll have to look it up but that's iirc.
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He had an opportunity to stand up and he didn't.
It was illegal for him to stand up at all.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:18 am to Jbird
Hey Mike....it's a little late
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:25 am to Sentrius
So what are the Constitutionally prescribed powers of the VP within the Senate? Constitution dictates that VP, when present in the Senate chamber, is the presiding officer. Constitution goes on to provide that in the VP's absence, Senate President Pro Tempore is the presiding officer.
What are the powers of the Senate beyond the VP to side step VP as the presiding officer? Honest curiosity here.
What are the powers of the Senate beyond the VP to side step VP as the presiding officer? Honest curiosity here.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:26 am to Sentrius
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GOP senate removes him and replaces him with Chuck Grassley, the senate president pro temp who did not object to the EC certification.
That’s quite an assumption you are making. It’s baseless.
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Hah no.
It ends with the Senate removing Pence and proceeding as normal with Grassley in the chair.
Statement not based in fact.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:28 am to Mickey Goldmill
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No, they would not have had to impeach him. They would have voted on a motion to immediately replace him for failing to perform his legally mandated duties as VP.
And if the vote failed?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
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By law, they had to count the votes that day, January 6th, until they were finished.
By that same law (in fact by superseding law in the constitution itself) - the state electors from five states were unconstitutionally chosen - and a provision for that 'unlikely' event was provided in that same constitution - in the same section devoted to HOW election SHALL be conducted.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:35 am to ChineseBandit58
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By that same law (in fact by superseding law in the constitution itself) - the state electors from five states were unconstitutionally chosen - and a provision for that 'unlikely' event was provided in that same constitution - in the same section devoted to HOW election SHALL be conducted.
Exactly.
This Constitutional argument being made when the issue at hand is a violation of constitutional protections is humorously weak. It shows why Republicans lose.
We were in a constitutional crisis. Pence needed to step up and refuse to go along with the sham. He needed to force the USSC’s hand to hear the case.
It wasn’t that he couldn’t. He wasn’t willing. He was on the other side. It’s why the Republican party is dead.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:36 am to AggieHank86
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but Donald Trump is too much the narcissist to accept that he “did not know” anything.
The notion of you criticizing someone's narcissism for refusing to learn something is dripping with irony.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:38 am to moneyg
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That’s quite an assumption you are making. It’s baseless.
Only two GOP senators backed objections by GOP congressmen and those objections were defeated by votes of 93-7 and 92-6.
With margins like that, it's 100% certain they would've removed Pence if he objected to the certification.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:39 am to Turbeauxdog
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The notion of you criticizing someone's narcissism for refusing to learn something is dripping with irony.
It takes one to know one.
Aggie Hank is a narc who knows a narc when he sees one.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:42 am to ChineseBandit58
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By that same law (in fact by superseding law in the constitution itself) - the state electors from five states were unconstitutionally chosen - and a provision for that 'unlikely' event was provided in that same constitution - in the same section devoted to HOW election SHALL be conducted.
The States handle their own elections. The results of every State election was certified and delivered to Congress. At that point, there is nothing the VP can do. Only Congress can throw out a State's votes at that point. They didn't have the votes to do that.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:44 am to Sentrius
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Only two GOP senators backed objections by GOP congressmen and those objections were defeated by votes of 93-7 and 92-6.
With margins like that, it's 100% certain they would've removed Pence if he objected to the certification.
That was after the political cover of the “insurrection” and after Pence refused to stand up.
It’s all different if Pence stands up.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:44 am to Jbird
He says just enough to not piss off anyone. He is on Paul Ryan's speed dial.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:47 am to moneyg
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That was after the political cover of the “insurrection” and after Pence refused to stand up.
Before the riot where just 13 GOP senators had pledged to support objections from GOP Congressmen?
Sure, then the margin goes down to a supermajority of 79-80 senators voting to remove Pence.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:49 am to Mickey Goldmill
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The States handle their own elections.
The state legislators determine the conditions and methods of how to conduct the elections in their state.
NOT the court system
NOT the executive branch
NOT the federal politicians
NOT the 'science'
The Legislators - only the legislators - have that authority.
They determine who can vote absentee, and when and how.
They determine the dates and times for all election activities.
Want to change election rules and methodology?? ---> take it to the state legislature.
If the executive/judicial state officials officials screw up their obligations, then let the state representation in the US Congress cast the vote for that state.
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