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"Palaestina ex Monumentis Veteribus Illustrata" from 1695 destroys the myth of Palestine
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:01 pm
The book "Palaestina ex Monumentis Veteribus Illustrata" was written in Latin in 1695.
The author, Adriaan Reland, was a geographer, cartographer, traveler, philologist, and linguist who was well-versed in several European languages, Arabic, Ancient Greek, and Hebrew.
He meticulously documented nearly 2,500 settlements mentioned in the Bible. His research was conducted as follows:
He first created a map of Palestine and marked each settlement mentioned in the Bible or the Talmud with its original name.
If the original name was in Hebrew, he marked it as "pasuk" (a passage in the Holy Scriptures where the name was mentioned).
If the original name was of Roman or Greek origin, he provided the Latin or Greek equivalent.
In the end, he compiled a census of the population based on these settlements. Here are some key findings and facts:
The land was mostly empty, abandoned, and sparsely populated, with the primary population centers in Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberias, and Gaza.
The majority of the population was Jewish, with almost all others being Christians, and very few Muslims, mainly Bedouins.
The only exception was Nablus (now Shechem), where about 120 people from the Muslim Nashash family lived alongside approximately 70 "Samaritans."
In Nazareth, the capital of Galilee, about 700 people lived, all of whom were Christians.
In Jerusalem, there were around 5,000 people, mostly Jews, with a few Christians.
In 1695, it was well-known that the roots of the country were Jewish.
There was not a single settlement in Palestine with Arabic origins in its name.
Most settlements had Hebrew originals, with some having Greek or Latin origins, which had been adapted into Arabic names that held no meaning in the Arabic language. For example, names like Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza, or Jenin had no philological or historical Arabic roots.
Reland only mentioned Muslims as seasonal agricultural or construction laborers who came to the cities.
In Gaza, around 550 people lived, with half being Jewish and half Christian. Jews were engaged in successful agriculture, including vineyards, olives, and wheat, while Christians were involved in trade and transportation.
In Tiberias and Safed, Jews lived, but their occupations were not specified, except for their traditional fishing activities in the Sea of Galilee.
In the village of Umm al-Fahm, there were about ten families, all of whom were Christians (approximately 50 people). There was a small Maronite church in the village.
Reland's book thoroughly refutes theories about "Palestinian traditions" and a "Palestinian people" and establishes very little connection between this land and the Arabs, who even adopted the Latin name of the land (Palestine) and claimed it as their own.
The author, Adriaan Reland, was a geographer, cartographer, traveler, philologist, and linguist who was well-versed in several European languages, Arabic, Ancient Greek, and Hebrew.
He meticulously documented nearly 2,500 settlements mentioned in the Bible. His research was conducted as follows:
He first created a map of Palestine and marked each settlement mentioned in the Bible or the Talmud with its original name.
If the original name was in Hebrew, he marked it as "pasuk" (a passage in the Holy Scriptures where the name was mentioned).
If the original name was of Roman or Greek origin, he provided the Latin or Greek equivalent.
In the end, he compiled a census of the population based on these settlements. Here are some key findings and facts:
The land was mostly empty, abandoned, and sparsely populated, with the primary population centers in Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberias, and Gaza.
The majority of the population was Jewish, with almost all others being Christians, and very few Muslims, mainly Bedouins.
The only exception was Nablus (now Shechem), where about 120 people from the Muslim Nashash family lived alongside approximately 70 "Samaritans."
In Nazareth, the capital of Galilee, about 700 people lived, all of whom were Christians.
In Jerusalem, there were around 5,000 people, mostly Jews, with a few Christians.
In 1695, it was well-known that the roots of the country were Jewish.
There was not a single settlement in Palestine with Arabic origins in its name.
Most settlements had Hebrew originals, with some having Greek or Latin origins, which had been adapted into Arabic names that held no meaning in the Arabic language. For example, names like Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza, or Jenin had no philological or historical Arabic roots.
Reland only mentioned Muslims as seasonal agricultural or construction laborers who came to the cities.
In Gaza, around 550 people lived, with half being Jewish and half Christian. Jews were engaged in successful agriculture, including vineyards, olives, and wheat, while Christians were involved in trade and transportation.
In Tiberias and Safed, Jews lived, but their occupations were not specified, except for their traditional fishing activities in the Sea of Galilee.
In the village of Umm al-Fahm, there were about ten families, all of whom were Christians (approximately 50 people). There was a small Maronite church in the village.
Reland's book thoroughly refutes theories about "Palestinian traditions" and a "Palestinian people" and establishes very little connection between this land and the Arabs, who even adopted the Latin name of the land (Palestine) and claimed it as their own.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:06 pm to Tasty Thrill
Why is 1695 signigicant?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:06 pm to Tasty Thrill
This thread is far too interesting and informative to be on this board.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:14 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Why is 1695 signigicant?
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Reland's book thoroughly refutes theories about "Palestinian traditions" and a "Palestinian people" and establishes very little connection between this land and the Arabs, who even adopted the Latin name of the land (Palestine) and claimed it as their own.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:22 pm to Tasty Thrill
There’s a great Facebook post that goes back through every era of who controlled the holy land all the way back to the beginning of recorded history.
And when it calls out who controlled the holy lands (empires and such), it says …. “Not Palestine”, to draw attention that there has NEVER been a holy land of Palestine (assuming it’s accurate).
But there has been Israelis several times.
And when it calls out who controlled the holy lands (empires and such), it says …. “Not Palestine”, to draw attention that there has NEVER been a holy land of Palestine (assuming it’s accurate).
But there has been Israelis several times.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:59 pm to Tasty Thrill
If Arabs didn’t control much of that area at one time then why did all those Christian western European armies keep going there for hundreds of years during the Crusades to take the land back from the Muslim Arabs?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:01 pm to Tasty Thrill
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The author, Adriaan Reland, was a geographer, cartographer, traveler, philologist, and linguist who was well-versed in several European languages, Arabic, Ancient Greek, and Hebrew.
Sounds like he was indeed a cunning linguist.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:09 pm to Tasty Thrill
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The land was mostly empty, abandoned, and sparsely populated, with the primary population centers in Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberias, and Gaza.
This is a hilarious sentence and also falsifiable to a degree, as we can just look at the Ottoman population census during the same time period.
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There was not a single settlement in Palestine with Arabic origins in its name.
Because the region was Arabized much later? This is a nonsensical point.
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In Jerusalem, there were around 5,000 people, mostly Jews, with a few Christians.
The Ottoman census says differently.
Why you are putting so much weight in a random book rather than archival sources is very weird.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:24 pm to Tasty Thrill
Palestinians are former jews that became Muslims. This is why nobody in the Arib world wants them.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:34 pm to Tasty Thrill
That is VERY informative post. So, if all that is accurate, why did we have to create Israel after WW2 if it actually belongs to them?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:48 pm to Tasty Thrill
The West rewrites history along with science.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 12:05 am to Tasty Thrill
Even more recently there are accounts from people like Mark Twain in 1867 who are astonished at how empty and barren the land is, how Jerusalem has barely 14 thousand people in the city, etc etc etc. The fact of the matter a vast majority of the 'Palestinians' who say they lived there for generations migrated to Palestine from places like Syria after the Zionist movement had started revitalizing the area. A huge chunk of the Palestinians hasn't been there any longer than the Jews the immigrated back in.
1867 is a very important date for a first hand about of the area by an impartial observer, as it's just 20 years before the Zionist movement to return kicked off and gives us a reliable picture of what the state of the holy land was immediately prior to the mass return of the Jews.
1867 is a very important date for a first hand about of the area by an impartial observer, as it's just 20 years before the Zionist movement to return kicked off and gives us a reliable picture of what the state of the holy land was immediately prior to the mass return of the Jews.
This post was edited on 11/3/23 at 12:06 am
Posted on 11/3/23 at 12:39 am to BobBoucher
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And when it calls out who controlled the holy lands (empires and such), it says …. “Not Palestine”, to draw attention that there has NEVER been a holy land of Palestine (assuming it’s accurate).
But there has been Israelis several times.
The last time they controlled it through Gods Will, He visited them. Jesus called them out as the children of Satan, told them that His Father had broken their branch off of the tree and grafted a new one in its place. They were informed of the path they needed to take to be grafted back onto the tree.
Some time after this, the "chosen people" manipulated the Romans into killing Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior.
They would have done it themselves, but chose the "safe" way. Couldn't take the risk of having His Blood on their hands just in case He was telling The Truth.
The modern Israel of today is not of God, it is of man.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 2:02 am to D500MAG
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They would have done it themselves, but chose the "safe" way. Couldn't take the risk of having His Blood on their hands just in case He was telling The Truth.
You obviously don’t read the Bible. They distinctly told Pilate that his blood be on theirs and their children’s heads. Also it was the scribes and Pharisees (Jews) who incited the rest of the Jews to press Pilot for Jesus’ blood. Pilate wanted nothing to do with it and “washed his hands clean” of the matter. He had Jesus crucified simply to appease the Jews bloodlust and to keep the peace. He still was at fault for actually having the sentence carried out, of course, but Jews conspired, framed, and pressed for Jesus’ murder… AND, they took the responsibility for it.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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The land was mostly empty, abandoned, and sparsely populated, with the primary population centers in Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberias, and Gaza.
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This is a hilarious sentence and also falsifiable to a degree, as we can just look at the Ottoman population census during the same time period.
There was no need to lie at the time this book was written.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:37 pm to Tasty Thrill
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who even adopted the Latin name of the land (Palestine)
This is incorrect (a lot of your other "facts" are bullshite too). The name isn't Latin. The etymology of the word can be traced back to the Greek "Philistia" and the Hebrew "Pelesheth".
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:39 pm to narddogg81
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Even more recently there are accounts from people like Mark Twain in 1867 who are astonished at how empty and barren the land is, how Jerusalem has barely 14 thousand people in the city, etc etc etc. The fact of the matter a vast majority of the 'Palestinians' who say they lived there for generations migrated to Palestine from places like Syria after the Zionist movement had started revitalizing the area. A huge chunk of the Palestinians hasn't been there any longer than the Jews the immigrated back in.
Propaganda.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:42 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
This seems about as important as a map of the Ottoman empire in 1500, 1695, or 1918 (i.e., not important at all). They all will show the same thing.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:48 pm to Tasty Thrill
Great post. Palestinians are from Crete. The zionists basically bought back their homeland at a huge mark up.
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:48 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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SECSolomonGrundy
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Why is 1695 signigicant?
Because, SodomGorundy, of the claim 'Palestine was taken from the Moslems and given to the Jews in 1948..."
This research from 1695 would lend credence to the notion that this idea of a Moslem Palestine is full of shite.
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