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re: Our government tried to kill Trump, this was not a lapse

Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:40 am to
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2688 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:40 am to
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You want us to believe a bunch of pieces all failed at the same time in the same way at the same place to produce the most favorable scenario for a shooter and you want us to ignore that instead you could have one or two pieces that intervene to stop a normally automatic process from functioning as designed. This was a hit.


You’re exactly right. This isn’t a whole bunch of weird coincidences that happened to fall perfectly into place.

Anyone who believes it’s just chance is nuts.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10345 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:50 am to
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insane conspiracy theories


It would be insane to not suspect a government who has already assassinated its own President in the past.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15916 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:52 am to
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Doesn't that get Secret Service somewhat off the hook? They say, cover these buildings outside our perimeter, and the local police didn't do their job.


I key part of running security is making sure people were doing their job.

That is a huge problem here.

If they're was supposed to be someone on the roof, do you not make sure the guy is on the roof?

Now if the cop said yeah I'm on the roof but wasn't, well then that sort of gets the ss off the hook. However they should have eyes on each other and if no one had eyes on the guy who was supposed to be on the roof, that's a problem.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2688 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:56 am to
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Let’s say that someone was suppose to be on that roof. Ok fine. They didn’t show up. So the killer got the word that they didn’t show up? He was in communication with them about it? How did they communicate to him?


Burner phone? Code sent via innocuous text on his personal phone?

Who is analyzing the phone? The same FBI that said the Hunter computer was fake, Trump was a Russian asset, made the Las Vegas shooting go away when they said they couldn’t find a motive, had investigated multiple shooters and the Boston bombers before they acted, claimed this 20 year old acted alone before they even knew who he was, etc, etc.

I’ve lost all faith in them, and I’m not alone.
Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
4069 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:56 am to
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Quit attributing to insane conspiracy theories

You still believe some China man ate a pangolin and created Covid too don’t you?
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
12301 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:00 am to
2016 Presidential Campaign they tapped Trump’s wires

2024 Presidential Campaign they tried to blow his brains out.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:01 am to
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quote:
Quit attributing to insane conspiracy theories


You still believe some China man ate a pangolin and created Covid too don’t you?



ikr
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:05 am to
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8530 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:11 am to
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Quit attributing to insane conspiracy theories what can be attributed to massive and total inco


When you have former and current OPERATORs/Snipers, that were all part of the US military, and they all come to the same conclusion that this wasn't gross incompetence, you're the one that is WRONG. I've listened to several podcast/vids of these professionals talking and they all say that ONE building not being secured is beyond gross incompetence. It's intentional. And the USSS director's explanation about the sloped roof flies in the face of logic.
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
16588 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:16 am to
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Anyone with a bit of common sense could see this coming. They tried to take him off the ballot in several states, that didn't work. They tried to put him in jail, that didn't work. They tried to bankrupt him, that didn't work.
And as the polls show Trump leading and the Demonrats crumbling, they're getting desparate. The debate was the last straw for the evil ones.
Do I believe that the 2020 election was stolen? Hell yes, I do. Do I believe that the Demonrats would try to kill Trump? Hell yes, I do.



Also that was Trump's last public event before the convention where he would officially accept his party's nomination. Once that happened he would automatically get his security coverage increased so this was the last chance to play against the junior varsity team.
Posted by Stuttgart Tiger
Branson, MO
Member since Jan 2006
15430 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:21 am to
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But all these guys like Bongino and others like to make these claims but NEVER do jack shite to back them up.


Do you even listen to Bongino's podcasts or radio show?

My guess is you don't because Bongino is very intentional with bringing receipts and has a 48-hour rule against rushing out information just to be the first to report.

Now, with the way he's framed his comments, it sounds like he's gotten his information from a close source that he can't risk burning.

He's been encouraging SS Agents to make a stand and blow the whistle on what they've seen and know.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 8:22 am
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2688 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:23 am to
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I tend to agree. I just can’t bring myself to believe they’d hire a 20 year old kid to do this job.


Why not?

He’s perfect. A weird 20 year old who was bullied in school, he was a nobody.

Kid was a computer whiz, had been building computers for years. Yet he supposedly had no social media presence? Sounds suspiciously like the weirdo Sandy Hook shooter, same deal. Was in the computer club, no social media presence found, they just claimed he destroyed his own hard drives.

Can you pick an easier patsy than this guy? He’s an outcast, looks weird with his eyes spread apart so far, awkward. He’s an easy guy to flip, have a beautiful young woman (or beautiful young mental health counselor) start showing him attention, he’ll fall right along. I’d bet he plays shooting games, COD, that kind of thing. He had bombs/IED’s in his vehicle and his room. No evidence on his devices of him researching how to build them.

You think you’re going to find a professional sniper to try and take out a former President in broad daylight from an exposed position in front of thousands of people? With police inside the building you’re belly crawling on top of?

He bought a ladder, where is it? Is it the ladder that’s fortuitously propped against the building? If not, where is it?

He had his picture taken by police at least twice. Eluded police for almost 30 minutes. Was almost caught at the end, but he scared off a cop that needs to apply to the Uvalde Police Dept. Almost like this guy is a Jason Bourne.

On a hot roof, using a rifle he’d hid somewhere, he then turns, very likely has an elevated heart rate and respiratory rate, and squeezes off five shots, hitting four people.

It’s not happenstance and pure luck that put him in this position. Someone helped.

Someone had $8 million in puts placed against Trumps social media, gambling it would collapse.

Joe Manchin was interviewed earlier in the week of the shooting, strangely said in essence after this weekend there’d be a clearer picture of the Presidential race.

Why would he randomly say that? Anyone else find it odd?
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
16588 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:25 am to
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Quit attributing to insane conspiracy theories what can be attributed to massive and total incompetence.


If this was a typical level of government incompetence we would be holding state funerals sometime every four years. No program whose prime area of expertise is VIP security should be committing multiple lapses that people who can't even spell security (and for that matter might struggle with VIP) can spot immediately with one look of the incident on video.

If it was just a matter of that one building being left uncovered it might be incompetence. If it was just a matter of not getting Trump off the stage after security had received word that there was a possible gunman on the roof of the building it might be incompetence. If it was just a matter of half of the security team either being completely outsized by Trump or actually using Trump as a shield for them instead of the other way around it could be incompetance. If it is all of these things plus several other details then it is intential incompetance, also known as a conspiracy or a preemptive coux attempt.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75406 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:35 am to
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Yesterday I heard that she is friends with DOCTOR Jill Biden. So yeah he probably did hire her, via his wife. Who it’s looking more and more like, is making a lot of decisions behind the scenes.

Not just friends with. Jill was the one driving the decision to get Cheatle the gig as SS Dir.

Would this be a good time to remind the class that there was an incident where a female SS officer assigned to Harris' detail had "issues"? , not even 3 months ago?

quote:

A U.S. Secret Service agent assigned to Vice President Kamala Harris exhibited "distressing behavior" Monday morning at Joint Base Andrews and was hospitalized, authorities said. Harris was not present at the airbase at the time.

In a statement provided to CBS News, the U.S. Secret Service said that at about 9 a.m. local time Monday, the agent "began displaying behavior their colleagues found distressing. The agent was removed from their assignment while medical personnel were summoned."

Two sources briefed on the situation told CBS News the agent spouted gibberish, was speaking incoherently and provoked another officer physically.




I'm sure it's nothing. Did you see that the new Twister sequel comes out on Friday?
Posted by Chinese Bandit Boy
Member since Jun 2021
905 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:39 am to
Do you know who these two men are? Do you know how much they want to get rid of Trump? Do you think they would not hesitate to assassinate Trump?

James Clapper
John Brennan

This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 8:41 am
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75406 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:39 am to
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Also that was Trump's last public event before the convention where he would officially accept his party's nomination. Once that happened he would automatically get his security coverage increased so this was the last chance to play against the junior varsity team.

Hopefully the increased security presence due to his being the formal nominee and likely bolstered with private security detail will mean their frickery window has closed.

Up next - civil unrest kicked off by the George Floyd Memorial Hunger Games 2024?

Dirty bomb detonation?

Missing suitcase nuke?

NoKo missile launch at continental US?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100706 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:04 am to
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agree. This was a planned Hit.


Yes and no. I don’t think the shooter was a hired gun per se. Who would agree to do that knowing he will get shot and die?

I do think certain higher ups made certain orders in regards to SS to ensure there was a gap in security. And either through online or direct contact an agent posing as a citizen dropped the necessary knowledge/info regarding the rally security to a disturbed individual that through social media was obviously a potential threat. And then they hoped the ingredients led to desired result. And for all we know they’ve done that several times in the past and it took till now for it to finally occur and a potential threat actually took the bait and tried it
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86529 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:05 am to
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This needs to stop.

Quit attributing to insane conspiracy theories what can be attributed to massive and total incompetence.
Posted by Bourbon Bebe
Member since Oct 2023
149 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:25 am to
It is SO obvious.

And they know it is.

It is by design.



Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25897 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:27 am to
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"Put Trump in the bullseye", maybe that was more than a bad word choice.


Reminiscent of "We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics..."
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