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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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revisit what?
i'm all for gay marriage, but if the courts are cherry picking "persecuted minority" groups, they need to finish this line of thought and not stop at just gays. this applies to activists, politicians, etc as well.
you do realize how unstable of a system this creates? we're basically inventing groups that receive special judicial protections...just because. that's not a stable system.
Legit concerns you have here slo.
This is why I do no support sexual orientation being designated as a protected class. The only protected class I support are the handicapped as those are the truly disadvantaged.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Interesting. That's not my perception of them at all.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:35 pm to L.A.
quote:Maybe my perception is wrong. Obama won it by 11 in 2012. But Bush only lost it by 3 in 2004. And only lost by .4 in 2000.
Interesting. That's not my perception of them at all.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:36 pm to Turbeauxdog
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They are a bunch of cowards that are afraid their "legacy" will be tainted by being "on the wrong side of history"
I know it, you know it, admit it.
I agree they don't want history to judge them unkindly (who does?) . Arkansas's AG has admitted as much. I'm curious as to why you call them "cowards" though.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:39 pm to L.A.
Big government, unconstitutional laws passed across the country are being ruled illegal. And oddly enough, small government conservatives were the biggest supporters of these unconstitutional, big government, intrusive laws.
Proving once again how hypocritical, stupid, wrong and unAmerican the repubs were on this.
Of course, if they had to make this an issue to get Dubya re-elected.. Playing politics with the constitution. Buncha traitors
Proving once again how hypocritical, stupid, wrong and unAmerican the repubs were on this.
Of course, if they had to make this an issue to get Dubya re-elected.. Playing politics with the constitution. Buncha traitors
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:39 pm to Toddy
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I mean they ALL can't be "activist judges" can they?
Did they overturn the will of the people in the states you mentioned? Then yes, they can.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:40 pm to ClydeFrog
Judges are beholden to the Constitution, not the will of the people. Theoretically, legislators are the ones beholden to the will of the people.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I'm sure you're right. It's just that in my mind I always think of them as a bunch of granola-eating, sandal-wearing, tree-hugging hippies.
Maybe my perception is wrong. Obama won it by 11 in 2012. But Bush only lost it by 3 in 2004. And only lost by .4 in 2000.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:49 pm to L.A.
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I'm shocked Oregon still had a gay marriage ban. That's a very liberal state.
Portland, Eugene, and the college towns are liberal but that's balanced out by more conservative rural areas. Some counties in Oregon in the early 2000's actually started granting licenses to same sex couples that were later voided. This spurred a constitutional amendment referendum that passed by 57% in 2004. This was by far the closest margin in any state until Prop 8 in 2008. A referendum to repeal the amendment was planned for this Fall. It probably would have passed by a substantial margin. There's no need for this now obviously.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:52 pm to Toddy
Seriously though, this shouldn't even be news. Let us have marriage and be done with it. Not sure what rationale the lawmakers in states with bans still have for not just overturning the bans now. It really is only a matter of time. It's sad that it makes front page news, though.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:54 pm to boosiebadazz
I call B.S. on that.
Food for thought, if a judicial nominee had to get 75 out of a 100 senators to become an appointed federal judge or an appointed Supreme Court judge, wouldn't that mandate more moderate judge nominations ?
Food for thought, if a judicial nominee had to get 75 out of a 100 senators to become an appointed federal judge or an appointed Supreme Court judge, wouldn't that mandate more moderate judge nominations ?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:55 pm to Toddy
Toddy, when do you expect Ohio's ban to fall?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:55 pm to JoBoo
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Proving once again how hypocritical, stupid, wrong and unAmerican the repubs were on this.
It always surprises me why conservatives aren't for it. One of the major feathers in the metaphorical hat of republicans is individual rights and keeping the government out of "my" business. Always kinda surprised me how much some Republicans fought against this particular individual right.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:01 pm to Toddy
I'm a total supporter of gay marriage, but the government needs to be completely out of all marriages.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:03 pm to ibldprplgld
What needs to happen is that the government should just get away from recongnizing any forms of marriage or unions. Just treat ever human as a individual. I mean really what do queers expect to accomplish? This won't make people accept them. This will never change peoples minds. I know it won't change mine. I think its sick and a crime against nature. Now does this mean I hate gays? Nope not at all, if thats what you want to do have at it. In no way shape or form does it devalue you as a human IMO. But I don't like it and never will. No piece of paper will ever make people accept homsexuals.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:04 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
You can call BS on it all you want, but it doesn't change the veracity of the statement.
And yes, a higher threshold would theoretically necessitate more moderate and palatable nominees.
And yes, a higher threshold would theoretically necessitate more moderate and palatable nominees.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:08 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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What needs to happen is that the government should just get away from recongnizing any forms of marriage or unions. Just treat ever human as a individual. I mean really what do queers expect to accomplish? This won't make people accept them. This will never change peoples minds. I know it won't change mine. I think its sick and a crime against nature. Now does this mean I hate gays? Nope not at all, if thats what you want to do have at it. In no way shape or form does it devalue you as a human IMO. But I don't like it and never will. No piece of paper will ever make people accept homsexuals.
It's going to be funny in 30 years when these posts are going to be looked upon as a person who is a mindless hick.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:09 pm to OMLandshark
I almost responded to that post, but I just let it be. He sounds like a guy who can't get past the icky buttsex part of the equation.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:12 pm to Toddy
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I agree they don't want history to judge them unkindly (who does?) . Arkansas's AG has admitted as much. I'm curious as to why you call them "cowards" though.
If I ruled that gays should be publicly stoned because it was popular. If I made that ruling in clear violation of the law simply because I didn't want my dinner party companions to judge me negatively, would I be a coward?
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