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re: Only 1.5% of Americans owned slaves at the height of chattel slavery.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:45 am to Narax
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:45 am to Narax
That's all well and good, but it has no bearing on the fact that slave labor produced a lot of assets and infrastructure that helped a lot of people increase their value, and I believe that's what some people today believe deserves recompense.
And while I understand that a building built with discounted labor costs can increase someone's net worth every time it's sold as it appreciates in value, thus enriching people who didn't own the slaves in the first place, I personally believe that any time for reparations has passed by some 150 years. After all, there's little infrastructure left that they built for the benefit of others.
And while I understand that a building built with discounted labor costs can increase someone's net worth every time it's sold as it appreciates in value, thus enriching people who didn't own the slaves in the first place, I personally believe that any time for reparations has passed by some 150 years. After all, there's little infrastructure left that they built for the benefit of others.
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Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:45 am to Bass Tiger
There were also black slave owners.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:49 am to Bass Tiger
quote:
Notice how Google Ai tries to dismiss the fact 1.5% of Americans ever owned slaves by stressing the majority of slaves were in the South?
Well yeah.
What AI also isn't telling you is that the political demographic of the 1800s was much different in the North and the South.
At the time of the passage of the 13th Amendment, all but nine Southern States voted to pass the Amendment. Those nine States were controlled by Democrats who fled to the North after the end of the Civil War to seek different employment after their slaves were freed.
They were replaced by many Republicans from the North because there was now a labor vacuum in the South and Northerners were happy to see the opportunities to make some coin in Southern States.
This "flip" that happened is not-surprisingly left untaught in classrooms and the history books.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:52 am to Harry Boutte
quote:
I believe that's what some people today believe deserves recompense.
I do agree with you thats what they think, but it was very much compensated labor. Even if they couldn't negotiate their compensation.
The evil of slavery was the prevention of freedom, not the lack of bargaining for services.
This post modern Marxist idea really makes a mockery of the whole thing
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:57 am to Bass Tiger
The percentage of whites owning slaves isn’t the real issue. It’s the total number
of blacks bound in slavery…
of blacks bound in slavery…
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:00 am to Bass Tiger
1 criteria of receiving reparations should be they have to prove they are more AFrican American than Elon Musk.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:02 am to Narax
quote:
Marxist
What did Marx have to say about compensation for the labor of former slaves?
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:18 am to Harry Boutte
quote:
Direct slavery is just as much the pivot of bourgeois
industry as machinery, credits, etc. Without slavery you
have no cotton; without cotton you have no modern industry.
It is slavery that has given the colonies their value; it is the
colonies that have created world trade, and it is world
trade that is the pre-condition of large-scale industry.
Thus slavery is an economic category of the greatest
importance.
Without slavery North America, the roost progressive of
countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country.
Wipe out North America from the map of the world, and
you will have anarchy — the complete decay of modern
commerce and civilisation. Cause slavery to disappear and
you will have wiped America off the map of nations.
Thus slavery, because it is an economic category, has
always existed among the institutions of the peoples.
Modern nations have been able only to disguise slavery in
their own countries, but they have imposed it without
disguise upon the New World.1
It's an old lie.
He was dead wrong, US Cotton Production recovered by 1870 without slavery.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:57 am to Narax
So reparations for slavery isn't a Marxist idea at all, post modern or not.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 11:13 am to Harry Boutte
quote:
So reparations for slavery isn't a Marxist idea at all, post modern or not.
...
Karl Marx...
Not Marxist...
Dude...
Let me break it down for you.
Karl Marx being the father of Marxism...
Claimed that American wealth was due to slavery (Wrongly)
I quoted that from him.
Then in the post Modern era, especially in the Marxist critical theory schools they started linking ethnicity to historical grievances.
Linking those together led to the modern reparations concept that people who had never been slaves were owed by people who had never owned slaves.
We saw that nonsense on display during the 2020s.
It is 100% factually post modern Marxism.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 11:56 am to Bass Tiger
quote:
Notice how Google Ai tries to dismiss the fact 1.5% of Americans ever owned slaves by stressing the majority of slaves were in the South? No shite Sherlock Google AI.
How are they going to reconcile the fact that free Blacks owned slaves. According to Google, the two largest slave owners was a black in puth Carolina, named Johnson and a black in Louisiana named,
Antoine Dubuclet, Jr.: The Creole Savior of Louisiana
Antoine Debuclet
As a Republican State Treasurer and one of America’s wealthiest Black businessmen, he played a vital role in rescuing debt-ridden Louisiana after the Civil War.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:18 pm to Bass Tiger
Most of the population was in the north, and some slave owners lived in the north so the percentage was not zero there.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:21 pm to Bass Tiger
It was about 30% of Southerners owned slaves. Less than 5% of Southerners owned more than 5 slaves.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:22 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:
Someone make a legitimate and logical argument for black Americans today asking/demanding and believing they are entitled to some form of reparations (even though 360k Union soldiers died ending chattel slavery) when only 1.5% of Americans owned slaves at the heights of chattel slavery.
From Google AI.........
There is more.
A large portion of American black people are decedent from white slave owners. They didn't get that lighter skin from the moon.
It's a dark reason why, but still the truth.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:24 pm to VOR
quote:
The percentage of whites owning slaves isn’t the real issue. It’s the total number
of blacks bound in slavery…
How about we do DNA tests to find out how is actually decedent from slave owners.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:28 pm to Bass Tiger
Even if you don't count the hundreds of thousands of dead men as reparations, what about the thousands of government programs exclusively for the benefit of black people? There have been reparations. Any more reparations need to come from the democrat party. They are the ones who owned slaves.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:32 pm to Bass Tiger
Check out slavery in Argentina and Brazil in the 1800s and look at the totals that went there. Far outpaced USA and for longer.
Brazil abolished slavery in 1888 first official shipment arriving in 1538.
Brazil abolished slavery in 1888 first official shipment arriving in 1538.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:39 pm to VOR
quote:90% were enslaved in 1860.
It’s the total number
of blacks bound in slavery…
What was that percentage 60, 100, 160 years later?
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:55 pm to TigerAxeOK
quote:
At the time of the passage of the 13th Amendment, all but nine Southern States voted to pass the Amendment. Those nine States were controlled by Democrats who fled to the North after the end of the Civil War to seek different employment after their slaves were freed.
They were replaced by many Republicans from the North because there was now a labor vacuum in the South and Northerners were happy to see the opportunities to make some coin in Southern States.
Though there was definitely an influx of carpetbaggers, southern democrats (ex-confederates) did not fully regain their right to vote until the mid-1870's.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 2:11 pm to Bass Tiger
What's amazing is that 1.5% mostly located in the South convinced hundreds of thousands of other Southern folks that it was in their best interest to fight on their , the 1.5 percent's behalf.
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