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re: Once Trump gets rolling with his election platform

Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:41 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87249 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:41 pm to
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You're too naive. People have been poisoned against Trump by 95% of the media and Trump himself. They will hear none of that. They will hear every rude statement or post he makes and all of the mountains out of molehills and fictions created by the media that will inundate them 24/7. Sixty percent of the voters don't pay real attention until October. They will have headlines sidifird as fact by that time. Trump is not electable. He barely squeaked by the most hated politician in 2016.



They won't hear us on this because we're not huge Trump fans, but they know that's the issue.

I won't even say he's not electable, but I don't think he is. I just don't think OP's points - which in an alternative universe should sell well to the center - are going to reach the ears they need to reach. Or if they do, those people are already going to be so jaded against Trump that it doesn't matter.

I'm not sure what their response to that line of thinking is - perhaps as major Trump fans they think his charisma will win those people back. Perhaps they think that the items from OP will provide cover for people who want to make a change in 2024 if the economy is bad enough (despite not relinquishing hatred of Trump). The former seems very unrealistic to me, the latter seems plausible.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33624 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:41 pm to
problem for trump is most people have made up their mind on him, and that's not changing. and that's a problem when he's depending on independents to swing his way.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
90914 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:42 pm to
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Those are minor compared to his successes.



BUT BUT MUH NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!!!

oh wait....................

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Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
90914 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:44 pm to
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It’s really interesting how the rinos and Ronbots never mentioned the NFA until a few months ago. Now bump stocks is a major issue for them

Could it be they are really struggling to find issues. I think fricking so




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Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
27785 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:45 pm to
He was unelectable in 2016.

He is winning in almost all the polls, now, with more than 50% of the vote. He was never close to polling over 50% in '16.

After 4 years of Biden, I think people will look forward to President Trump's mean Tweets.

You're saying the same thing people were saying 8 years ago...
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
13791 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:47 pm to
I agree with a certain segment of the population but because of inflation / economy under Biden and the contrast under Trump I think Trump can pull enough in
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33624 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:47 pm to
in 2016 he ran against the one person who was more hated than him. biden might be a dementia patient, but he's not universally hated.

there are a lot of people that don't care how bad things get under biden. they will not vote trump.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87249 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:50 pm to
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yup. The whole lot of these cucks are.he could not debunk what i said nor address it. instead uses a straw man/false equivalence. he is the type that was fine with me having to get a tax stamp for my suppressor though you can bet that. We could easily turn this on him and say why didnt your savior obama lift regulations on full autos and suppressors? They are only grasping for anything to build a narrative against orange man. ORANGE MAN BAAAAAAAAAAD



LOL Form 4s are an abomination

You told us we were hypocrites and should just abide by the NFA and shut up about it

Hard pass

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79822 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:56 pm to
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He was unelectable in 2016.
Not against Hillary, the most despised pol in America. And, then he only won because of about 70,000 votes in key swing states. Those states now have anything goes voting and he won't repeat the feat.

quote:

He is winning in almost all the polls, now, with more than 50% of the vote. He was never close to polling over 50% in '16
Now we trust polls? I don't.

quote:

After 4 years of Biden, I think people will look forward to President Trump's mean Tweets
Nope. The Biden administration issues are being glossed over by the media. And as I said earlier, 60% of the electorate doesn't pay attention until October.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
27785 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:59 pm to
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problem for trump is most people have made up their mind on him, and that's not changing. and that's a problem when he's depending on independents to swing his way.



Not true. My next door neighbor is hated Trump when he was President. He considers himself independent, but is really a liberal who was a big Obama guy. He can't fathom why anyone would want 4 more years of Biden - even if it means voting for Trump. They have 2 sons in the military. The biggest surprise they saw with Trump is his desire to stay out of new wars. They thought he would do the opposite of what he did.

Most people didn't really notice a difference between Bush and Obama as far as their daily lives went. So they voted on social issues - abortion, gay marriage, etc. These last 2 years have awakened people and make them realize that policies matter in their day to day lives and they don't like the liberal agenda.

Even big city liberal strongholds are falling apart, and you may see Trump do better than you think there.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29223 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:05 pm to
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3.) Term limits. Popular with all demographics except people who keep voting the same asshats back into office.


fify.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37845 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:16 pm to
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He'll have to answer for the vaxx

A quick campaign video with the many clips of the liberals and MSM blaming him relentlessly for not doing enough to get the mRNA gene manipulation therapy shot out soon enough, will put that issue to rest quite quickly.

Plus, the many holdout Covidian Cultists still aren't ready to admit that they were wrong all along. The irony of the monster they've created is that it has instilled within them a massive pride and undeserved sense of superiority, and that trait will prevent them from admitting being wrong even if it means hurting the Tangerine Tyrant.

Their best bet will be to completely avoid the shots issue altogether because Trump can easily subtly brag about the "vaccines" and bait them into a losing battle. Enough Americans are still pissed about lockdowns and having to lose money or outright close their businesses down permanently, that their memories aren't going to be as short as usual. Combine that with a flaccid-at-best "recovery" and a GDP that still remains far below par, and "vaccine" rollout becomes wholly trivial at best.

In the end, it wasn't Trump trying to force these shots on all Americans. It was the communist wing of the Establishment Uniparty. Everyone knows it. Trump merely gave an option to choose.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22663 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:41 pm to
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Those are minor compared to his successes.

Covid response is hardly minor. I can't think of a bigger "event" in terms of impact on this country since WWII.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
9998 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:44 pm to
There’s not one single soccer mom that cares about what you list. They want, at minimum, someone who isn’t an azz. Can trump be that?

You hate that this is so. But you need to accept it because it ain’t changing
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
72082 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 3:12 pm to
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3.) Term limits. Popular with all demographics except politicians.

4.) Reforming the FBI/CIA/NSA/IRS - get them out of social media and stop spying and corruption.


No shot at either of these. I’d vote for anyone who ran on this but he didn’t make a dent in this last time.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Longdriver98
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Nov 2005
3583 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 3:17 pm to
#4 should not be reforming but eliminating
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
27785 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 3:27 pm to
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Covid response is hardly minor. I can't think of a bigger "event" in terms of impact on this country since WWII.


And he has a huge advantage over Biden because Biden tried to force people to take the jab so Big Pharma could make a buck and waited way to long to declare the pandemic over.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
27785 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 3:30 pm to
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There’s not one single soccer mom that cares about what you list.


You're wrong.

1.) Soccer Moms don't want their children dying in some god-foresaken hellhole on the other side of the world.

2.) Soccer moms don't want to have to get a job because the economy is in the toilet.

Those are huge Soccer mom issues, and they have to think about that, now. These weren't an issue when Trump was POTUS.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110860 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 3:32 pm to
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He's going to have quite a bit of baggage on the debate stage.

Covid stuff
Keeping Fauci
Bump stocks
He'll have to answer for the vaxx



Show me which of these any of his potential primary opponents came down hard against him on, and what they said.

Absent that, I'm not getting how any of this will be "baggage" in the primary.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22663 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 3:32 pm to
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And he has a huge advantage over Biden because Biden tried to force people to take the jab so Big Pharma could make a buck and waited way to long to declare the pandemic over.

I don't disagree w/r/t the general. It's the primary where Trump would be very vulnerable on Covid.
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