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re: On the subject of Pope Leo
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:09 am to crazie04
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:09 am to crazie04
You seem to believe a whole lot that is not quite accurate.
One good thing for Catholics is that they have a great website to research things, so that they can see for themselves that what you write here is not the truth, IMHO, and in the opinion of many scholars.
I'm not trying to convert you or argue with you. There is a website that explains and/or contradicts what you have been taught, and it is good that we have someplace to research further your thesis.
The website is
Catholic Answers
What is your particular denomination, if I may ask?
One good thing for Catholics is that they have a great website to research things, so that they can see for themselves that what you write here is not the truth, IMHO, and in the opinion of many scholars.
I'm not trying to convert you or argue with you. There is a website that explains and/or contradicts what you have been taught, and it is good that we have someplace to research further your thesis.
The website is
Catholic Answers
What is your particular denomination, if I may ask?
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 8:44 am
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:21 am to dragginass
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As I stated above, the Pope is only infallible when speaking ex cathedra, which has not happened since the 1950's.
Why has it been so long? I don't know much about ex cathedra... has it always been a rarity or is recent that it's disappeared?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:24 am to SallysHuman
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Why has it been so long? I don't know much about ex cathedra... has it always been a rarity or is recent that it's disappeared?
Okay.. I looked this up. Google says it has only happened twice, in 1854 stating Mary was conceived without sin and 1950 on the Assumption of Mary.
Only twice? Both about Mary? What am I missing?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:29 am to SallysHuman
It's very rare!
I wonder why people make so much over it and get so triggered by it?
It's just Church hierarchy.
I wonder why people make so much over it and get so triggered by it?
It's just Church hierarchy.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:30 am to Champagne
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I wonder why people make so much over it and get so triggered by it?
Again, not catholic... does this mean the Pope has only been infallible twice? I'm not triggered, just confused.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:42 am to SallysHuman
I have not researched all of the Ex Cathedra Pope declarations going back for hundreds of years, but, certainly for the time frame of these last two declarations, the answer is Yes. He's only been infallible two times in the last 150 years.
I think that the Church needs a hierarchy to deal with larger questions of theology such as, do new Christians need to be circumcised?, is Arianism correct?, what is the Trinity?. Having a church hierarchy allows theological questions to be decided for the whole Church.
" I will lead the blind on their journey;
by paths unknown I will guide them.
I will turn darkness into light before them,
and make crooked ways straight."
I think that the Church needs a hierarchy to deal with larger questions of theology such as, do new Christians need to be circumcised?, is Arianism correct?, what is the Trinity?. Having a church hierarchy allows theological questions to be decided for the whole Church.
" I will lead the blind on their journey;
by paths unknown I will guide them.
I will turn darkness into light before them,
and make crooked ways straight."
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:35 am to dragginass
You're technically correct -- the RCC itself was not founded in 1054. However, when it gained its independence from the Eastern Orthodox (and vice versa), it was allowed to create its own dogma. This marked the beginning of what we would today call the Roman Catholic Church.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:21 pm to Champagne
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He's only been infallible two times in the last 150 years.
Is this something that should be questioned? I mean - "hey / I made up BS for 100 yrs but this is God speaking now"
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:38 pm to dragginass
Everybody tries to twist what the pope says because he is the pope. Everybody knows what he says carries weight.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 10/13/25 at 3:43 pm to dafif
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Is this something that should be questioned?
You are free to question whatever you like.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 3:52 pm to dragginass
Here’s the thing
Pope’s and other religious leaders should be speaking to individuals and rarely, if ever, to governments.
What the liberals have tried to do is get the Catholic Church to weigh in on government policy that matches their desire for less border control, more government programs for less fortunate and other programs that fit their narrative. Pope Francis was buying into that.
The Catholic Church speaks to people many of which are ruled by dictatorships and perverted variations on that. It gives the people a guide to living a Christian life just as it was done as Jesus walked the earth.
If a person wants to be charitable, our government is very accommodating. Feed the poor, house the homeless, heck, even take in an illegal if you like. Get caught and go to jail but at least you did what you believed was best.
Oddly, the overwhelming majority of these liberals will do any of the above.
They want the government to do it. Heh….
Always easier with other peoples money…
Pope’s and other religious leaders should be speaking to individuals and rarely, if ever, to governments.
What the liberals have tried to do is get the Catholic Church to weigh in on government policy that matches their desire for less border control, more government programs for less fortunate and other programs that fit their narrative. Pope Francis was buying into that.
The Catholic Church speaks to people many of which are ruled by dictatorships and perverted variations on that. It gives the people a guide to living a Christian life just as it was done as Jesus walked the earth.
If a person wants to be charitable, our government is very accommodating. Feed the poor, house the homeless, heck, even take in an illegal if you like. Get caught and go to jail but at least you did what you believed was best.
Oddly, the overwhelming majority of these liberals will do any of the above.
They want the government to do it. Heh….
Always easier with other peoples money…
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:17 pm to SallysHuman
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As a non catholic... this means little to me.
You have to keep in mind that Vatican City is a sovereign country and the pope is their head of state.
So he is equivalent to President Trump, or any other recognized head of state, in terms of international diplomacy / relations.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:20 pm to dragginass
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No. You were staying that we believe the Pope is infallible, and that is not the case.
You believe that the pope can be infallible under very specific circumstances, right?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:23 pm to dragginass
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In general, being good stewards of the earth and it's resources has always been the teaching.
Pretty much everyone believes that "being good stewards of the earth" is a good thing. Even people who refute man-made climate change can at the same time be conservationists.
We don't need a guy wearing a white beanie to tell us that.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:25 pm to dafif
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The fact you believe the pope is infalliible is just a man made religious power grab.
Jesus is infallible, the pope is not. The pope would tell you he is a sinner. We are not brainwashed as Catholics.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:45 pm to dragginass
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I don't disagree with that. Simultaneously, that's why I think it's important to understand what he actually says.
In your view, what is Leo's position on the US's treatment of illegals?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:27 pm to TulsaSooner78
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You believe that the pope can be infallible under very specific circumstances, right?
Yes. But even then, only on matters of the church. He cannot speak infallibly on politics or worldly matters.
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