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re: On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you that this Russia story

Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:00 am to
Posted by FlatLakeTiger
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:00 am to
This is a distraction to hide the real crimes committed by Hillary Clinton and the Obama team before and after the election.

It's a bone for the dogs (media) to chase. Nothing more.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15964 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:02 am to
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How confident are you that this Russia story is only a story because the democrats/deep state/GOP establishment are mad Hillary lost and are trying to find an excuse for it as well as undermine Trump's presidency from the get go


Well considering it started way before Hillary lost...
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42360 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:06 am to
100 of 10
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49540 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:13 am to
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How confident are you that this Russia story is only a story because the democrats


I am 100% confident that if the roles were reversed, the MSM/DEM establishment would not be interested or would shill it as a positive.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:22 am to
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Derp muh deepdstate derp muh conspiracy to make Trump look like a complete F-ing moron when he's actually playing 10-D chess derrrrrpppppppp
I was going to say something more nuanced but I guess this works.
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
28938 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:02 am to
I don't think there is any doubt, half the Republican party is still on board with killary and will try and undermine everything Trump does....so 20
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:15 am to
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I believe it was started based on the obvious joke Trump made about the Russians finding the bitches emails.


I believe it started when Trump said he respected Putin more than Obama because at least Putin is a strong leader.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49540 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:20 am to
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I believe it started when Trump said he respected Putin more than Obama because at least Putin is a strong leader.

I certainly believe that is what first shorted their sheets and rustled their jimmies. It put them on a rabid hunt for a retort.

quote:

obvious joke Trump made about the Russians finding the bitches emails.

And this was the mother lode - gave them all the impetus they needed to go whole hog on digging up 'proof.'
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:24 am to
Which Russia story?

Trump being creepily friendly toward Putin and hiring several Russia-connected douchebags - That's a legit story, although perhaps not a very exciting one.

Beating the drum about some sort of Russian election manipulation, at least in the sense that it is being officially investigated, is a goose chase, though.

We should all be interested in why Russia and WikiLeaks sought to influence our election. And maybe some findings about the extent of that are warranted. But I don't think this is a true scandal or something that is going to come back to Trump.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17137 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:28 am to
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The media (and the democrats) have tried everything to try and knock down President Trump. Nothing has worked.

This is yet another attempt. Did the Russians try and assert some type of influence over our election. Sure, probably so.

But we also get involved with other countries elections all the time. One example is Brexit. Obama came out against it and our media ran lots of stories about how horrible life would be if the Brits left the EU. And those stories have been proven completely false.

This is just another example of the media and the democrats bitching and moaning that someone else did exactly what they are known to do.

With Trump wanting to "drain the swamp", he is unable to fight it in a normal sense. Under other circumstances he would have people in the IC find\release\makeup things to discredit those attacking him.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66106 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:30 am to
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:31 am to
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We should all be interested in why Russia and WikiLeaks sought to influence our election.


You do realize the IC community stated in their 25 page unclassified intelligence report that it is not a fact the Russians tried to influence the election and that they even said in the report they "might be wrong" about the Russians' involvement, don't you?
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:36 am
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:33 am to
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You do realize the IC community stated in their 25 page unclassified intelligence report that it is not a fact the Russia tried to influence the election and that they even said in the report they "might be wrong" about the Russians' involvement, don't you?



I am 100% confident Russia sought to influence our electoral process.

Now whether the intention was to get Trump elected, to damage Hillary, or to cause chaos and distrust in American institutions, I think that's an open question.

I tend to think there was probably some interest in seeing Trump elected, but the overall goal was to get Americans to doubt their process, discredit their media, etc. and it worked well.
Posted by GFaceKillah
Welcome to the Third World
Member since Nov 2005
5935 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:35 am to
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I tend to think there was probably some interest in seeing Trump elected, but the overall goal was to get Americans to doubt their process, discredit their media, etc. and it worked well.


Funny that Trump would push the narrative that the election was rigged. Basically doing the bidding of the Russians.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:39 am to
Well Trump was the obvious benefactor of a "frick everything" attitude in the country. But I don't really buy into the Trump being a pawn of Russia stuff that some of the more adamant Trump haters believe.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
39349 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:41 am to
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How confident are you that this Russia story is only a story because the democrats/deep state/GOP establishment are mad Hillary lost and are trying to find an excuse for it as well as undermine Trump's presidency from the get go
Zero.

I'm 99.9% positive the Russia story was to throw the sheople off the scent that our "elections" have been rigged for a long, long time.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:41 am to
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I am 100% confident Russia sought to influence our electoral process.


You have more confidence than the IC because they have only moderate or high confidence which is less than 100% confidence.

What evidence do you have that the IC doesn't have which gives you 100% confidence?
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21449 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:42 am to
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Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49540 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:43 am to
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I tend to think there was probably some interest in seeing Trump elected, but the overall goal was to get Americans to doubt their process, discredit their media, etc. and it worked well.

I am coming around to this believe with more confidence all the time.

My original skepticism was based on Wikileaks actually working independently of the Russkies. I am coming to the belief that they are actually colluding with them on the what/when to release stuff.

Overall, I don't care - much less than I care about the mal-information that the DEMs use - and have used - constantly over the past 50 years. This was tame crap compared to that.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:44 am to
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What evidence do you have that the IC doesn't have which gives you 100% confidence?



I'm sure the IC has the entire body of evidence I have, and more.

As to why they haven't reached the same conclusion as me, I don't know, and I probably don't care, as they likely do agree with me anyway.

I'm amused at your propping up of the IC (which I believe you disparage) simply so you can use them as an appeal to authority, though.
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