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re: On 6/20 SFP offered this jewel of wisdom as to why certain people were voting for Biden.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:30 am to Upshift Downshift
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:30 am to Upshift Downshift
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:31 am to Rip Torn
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I love the “Trump isn’t really a conservative so I am going to vote for Kennedy” argument. In the history of political justification arguments, that may be the dumbest one other than the “Trump is a danger to democracy”
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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As I previously replied, maybe not in theory but in actuality, people certainly operate as though it does.
If “conservative economics” is synonymous with capitalism, then you’re wrong anyway. The logical end result of capitalism is one person owning everything.
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There is nothing about (actually) conservative economics that require people to be hurt.
As I previously replied, maybe not in theory but in actuality, people certainly operate as though it does.
If “conservative economics” is synonymous with capitalism, then you’re wrong anyway. The logical end result of capitalism is one person owning everything.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:35 am to BCreed1
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Then you believe we have always been a leftist economy.
Pre-Wichard fedgov could be funded on tariffs, even though they learned a hard lesson about leftist intervention in the economy. It was on the level of any other tax, which had minimal impact on the economy.
That scale does not work today. If you understood anything about the history of our government, you would understand these are 2 completely different scenarios.
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Why don't you explain to us how a tariff is leftist today but not during the 1700s, the 1800s, and the 1900s.
LINK
Or you can look at it this way:
Now, I'll make this real simple for you (since you seem to really need assistance in simple concepts). Look at the year of the case I cited and the expansion of federal spending as a % of GDP afterwards (especially in non-wartime).
During the Civil War, we spent less than we did, generally, after Wickard.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:35 am to cajunangelle
You stupid count Conservatism is not limited to who runs for president you ignorant bitch
This is why I don't talk to you people you are so fricking stupid
I have been advocating for a traditional conservative ideology based upon small limited government and respect for society's institutions . You can make changes but they should start at the base,, with the people in their home an example
The Great Awakening in US History if you can even read
institutions of faith ,, community
and at one time in this country, education was an admirable institution
our military
families
that is conservatism you ignorant stupid vapid bitch count whore not one man of questionable motivation and morals
you toss Romney at me like its an argument,, I never once mention Romney.. EVER not just in this thread on the board
It's not about an individual running for president it's about you morons thinking it's about one individual running for president ..that's the loss
whether that be Trump or Bush or Romney that is not where I put my faith do you not understand that i'm trying to spell it out as directly and simply as possible you stupid count
because you think that one man is conservatism,,, in the highest office in the land Thats centralized power THE opposite of what a Conservative wants
A conservative should never,,, a real conservative should never base their hope for democracy on one person in the highest office
in many ways that is the direct opposite of conservatism because you're arguing for a strong central government in the form of Trump
you argue about the uni party it's all uni party esp at the Federal level
you don't think Trump's making money off of the way he directs our government the man's a businessman a damn good one,, and me pointing that out doesn't make me a never trumpet or a biden voter
Mandating changes in governmental policy with an executive order is not conservatism .. it's not small government it's not limited government even if you like the goal
Edmund Burke is a name I mention a lot
thomas Sowell
Cooke ,, who LBJ stole the Senate seat from
TR .. In his time a lot of people who said they were conservatives railed against him but he protected the free market I think that was the conservative move
Winston Churchill go ahead and tell me how Im a never trumper because I admire Winston Churchill
CS Lewis Is another that I cite in what I believe in and what I think works and why it works
those are people I might pay attention to,, but even still I do my own research
This is why I don't talk to you people you are so fricking stupid
I have been advocating for a traditional conservative ideology based upon small limited government and respect for society's institutions . You can make changes but they should start at the base,, with the people in their home an example
The Great Awakening in US History if you can even read
institutions of faith ,, community
and at one time in this country, education was an admirable institution
our military
families
that is conservatism you ignorant stupid vapid bitch count whore not one man of questionable motivation and morals
you toss Romney at me like its an argument,, I never once mention Romney.. EVER not just in this thread on the board
It's not about an individual running for president it's about you morons thinking it's about one individual running for president ..that's the loss
whether that be Trump or Bush or Romney that is not where I put my faith do you not understand that i'm trying to spell it out as directly and simply as possible you stupid count
because you think that one man is conservatism,,, in the highest office in the land Thats centralized power THE opposite of what a Conservative wants
A conservative should never,,, a real conservative should never base their hope for democracy on one person in the highest office
in many ways that is the direct opposite of conservatism because you're arguing for a strong central government in the form of Trump
you argue about the uni party it's all uni party esp at the Federal level
you don't think Trump's making money off of the way he directs our government the man's a businessman a damn good one,, and me pointing that out doesn't make me a never trumpet or a biden voter
Mandating changes in governmental policy with an executive order is not conservatism .. it's not small government it's not limited government even if you like the goal
Edmund Burke is a name I mention a lot
thomas Sowell
Cooke ,, who LBJ stole the Senate seat from
TR .. In his time a lot of people who said they were conservatives railed against him but he protected the free market I think that was the conservative move
Winston Churchill go ahead and tell me how Im a never trumper because I admire Winston Churchill
CS Lewis Is another that I cite in what I believe in and what I think works and why it works
those are people I might pay attention to,, but even still I do my own research
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is nothing about (actually) conservative economics that require people to be hurt.
She wants to conflate conservative economics with the exploitation of government policies that she's likely supported. She's a useful idiot to the elites.
She reminds me a lot of BamaAtl's "Muh Kids in the Streets" arguments.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:37 am to 4cubbies
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As I previously replied, maybe not in theory but in actuality, people certainly operate as though it does.
Boom.
Told you.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
The reason why a tariff based tax system wouldn’t work today is because of defense and welfare spending not because it was ineffective. We have a spending problem not a revenue problem and sadly there are far too many Americans who believe that spending is necessary
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:38 am to 4cubbies
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. The logical end result of capitalism is one person owning everything
Dear God,
Please make it stop.
Amen
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:38 am to Upshift Downshift
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I live in rural Norway where people haven’t voted blue since the Hornsrud administration
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Christopher Andersen Hornsrud (15 November 1859[1] – 12 December 1960[2]) was a Norwegian politician for the Labour Party.
Labour = red in Norway.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:41 am to 4cubbies
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As I previously replied, maybe not in theory but in actuality,
Your reference to leftist economics still doesn't work as a response.
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people certainly operate as though it does.
They operate as though leftist economics (and its redistribution) requires people to be hurt.
Again
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There is nothing about (actually) conservative economics that require people to be hurt.
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If “conservative economics” is synonymous with capitalism, then you’re wrong anyway.
And now you may answer the question, finally.
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The logical end result of capitalism is one person owning everything.
And to think you tried to reference "actuality" as an anchor in this very post
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Pre-Wichard fedgov could be funded on tariffs, even though they learned a hard lesson about leftist intervention in the economy. It was on the level of any other tax, which had minimal impact on the economy.
Simple question is simple to answer. If tariffs are a leftist economic policy, when was the USA ever not leftist. Name the time.
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That scale does not work today. If you understood anything about the history of our government, you would understand these are 2 completely different scenarios.
So policy changes are leftist or conservative based on the times?
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LINK
Or you can look at it this way:
I don't need a link. I need your words on it.
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Now, I'll make this real simple for you (since you seem to really need assistance in simple concepts). Look at the year of the case I cited and the expansion of federal spending as a % of GDP afterwards (especially in non-wartime).
During the Civil War, we spent less than we did, generally, after Wickard.
I don't need a court case that changes the subject. Answer the very simple question.
This is you avoiding it for about the 50th time.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:43 am to Rip Torn
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We have a spending problem
Again, why I can't support Trump.
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sadly there are far too many Americans who believe that spending is necessary
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your reference to leftist economics still doesn't work as a response.
It does. You’re being obtuse. You’re just trying to shift some of the heat off of yourself in this thread. It’s extremely transparent, Mr. Smartest Man in Every Room.
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And to think you tried to reference "actuality" as an anchor in this very post
What is the logical conclusion of capitalism?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:45 am to Rip Torn
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The reason why a tariff based tax system wouldn’t work today is because of defense and welfare spending not because it was ineffective.
Nor a leftist policy. Another truth that he and about 3 to 4 others refuse to answer or dive into is the fact of where the idea of free trade came from. It came from FDR.
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We have a spending problem not a revenue problem
We do.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:49 am to Lsupimp
wow
The women in this thread are making an excellent argument against the 19th Amendment
The women in this thread are making an excellent argument against the 19th Amendment
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:49 am to BCreed1
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If tariffs are a leftist economic policy
There are no ancaps left on this board.
Minimum taxation isn't leftist, especially if it's not targeted as intervention in the market. That was how tariffs operated previously.
Today, they are both a tax and intervention specifically aimed at raising the price of goods to redistribute spending to a designed class of parties.
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So policy changes are leftist or conservative based on the times?
The times change how government operates, which changes the nature of policies.
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I don't need a link. I need your words on it.
You seem to lack comprehension and understanding of our nation's history. You need to read the words to understand why your gotcha attempt was illogical to the point of laughter.
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I don't need a court case that changes the subject. Answer the very simple question.
I am answering the question. But you are ignorant to our history, government, and economics, so you need the basis to understand, apparently.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:50 am to 4cubbies
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It does
Not in response to a comment/question about non-leftist economics
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What is the logical conclusion of capitalism?
Freedom for all to determine their destiny.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Freedom for all to determine their destiny.
and you have the audacity to claim I don’t live in reality. Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:52 am to mudshuvl05
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mudshuvl05
Embarrassing melt in this thread
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