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re: Oklahoma Education Superintendent revokes teaching license after school fails to act
Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:05 pm to CleverUserName
Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:05 pm to CleverUserName
There is no “slippery slope” issue here. Openly advocating for real life violence is not protected speech in the workplace and never has been. Comparing this to a person advocating their beliefs on abortion or other social/political issues is so beyond a false equivalency it’s laughable. A teacher saying they don’t support abortions is fine and won’t get them in trouble and if it did they would immediately win the case. A teacher saying they want abortion doctors shot in the street should and will get them fired. It’s not that complicated some of y’all aren’t near as clever as you think.
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:14 pm to slackster
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It will be an interesting free speech case if/when it’s brought.
Unless Oklahoma is weird, the due process argument is likely stronger.
I can't imagine a state superintendent can just revoke a teaching license unilaterally and ex parte like that.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:26 pm to novabill
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he state is punishing her for expressing her views.
Her views condone murder.
Maybe not fit for a classroom? Maybe?
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:18 pm to pankReb
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Stop exaggerating the punishment. The superintendent absolutely has the right to revoke teaching licenses based upon morality.
She lost her not just her job but her license because the government disapproved of her speech.
I am opposed to this ALL THE TIME, even when I find the speech reprehensible. I look beyond this event and look at the broader issue.
That broader issue is whether or not we want government to have thos power.
I for one do not.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:22 pm to the808bass
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Would you have a problem with a school terminating a teacher who said “I wish a tranny kid would get shot.”
Of course you wouldn’t. And therein lies your problem and your idiocy is laid bare.
The issue is not what I would or would not have a problem with.
I just want a list of things we as conservatives are in favor punishing people for saying. I understand that free speech is dangerous and must be restricted in our modern world, but I do need some guidance and where tye new boundaries are.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:30 pm to novabill
When there is a morality expectation institutions can enforce as the deem morality is defined. I wish you had been collateral damage would hurt your feelings worse than if I said I wish your mom had done the abortion but both hurt, right?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 6:59 am to novabill
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I just want a list of things we as conservatives are in favor punishing people for saying. I understand that free speech is dangerous and must be restricted in our modern world, but I do need some guidance and where tye new boundaries are.
You don’t care about free speech. You care about people being punished or having major consequences for leftist speech.
frick off.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:02 am to anc
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More context, please?
A teacher at an Oklahoma school posted something about hating how the shooter missed. The school district and school was unresponsive, so the state superintendent of Oklahoma revoked her license so she can't work in the state, loses pension, etc.
This is a guy that has been an excellent state level superintendent. If Trump appoints him, he will be the best at cutting the fat immediately, then closing the doors of the DOE.
More context, please?
A teacher at an Oklahoma school posted something about hating how the shooter missed. The school district and school was unresponsive, so the state superintendent of Oklahoma revoked her license so she can't work in the state, loses pension, etc.
This is a guy that has been an excellent state level superintendent. If Trump appoints him, he will be the best at cutting the fat immediately, then closing the doors of the DOE.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:22 am to the808bass
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quote:
I just want a list of things we as conservatives are in favor punishing people for saying. I understand that free speech is dangerous and must be restricted in our modern world, but I do need some guidance and where tye new boundaries are.
You don’t care about free speech. You care about people being punished or having major consequences for leftist speech.
Look at me making lefies and conservatives mad.
I was being sarcastic.
I am for free speech for both left and right.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:33 am to novabill
Imagine having such low impulse control that you have to run to social media & tell everyone how you want the President to be murdered.
frick this bitch.
frick this bitch.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:20 pm to AlterDWI
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Imagine having such low impulse control that you have to run to social media & tell everyone how you want the President to be murdered
I dont disagree, at all.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:23 pm to anc
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so the state superintendent of Oklahoma revoked her license so she can't work in the state, loses pension, etc.
I doubt he can take her pension on a whim. Fire her, yes but he is about to get sued and lose if he took her pension.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:30 pm to novabill
Closer to illegal than legal. If he is a sitting president, and Trump was, then it is illegal.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:30 pm to anc
Dammmmmn 
That’s a boss move revoking her cert.
That’s a boss move revoking her cert. 
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:36 pm to novabill
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She lost her not just her job but her license because the government disapproved of her speech.
She lost her job because she violated school social media policy and advocated violence on a political opponent. Not sure what is so hard to comprehend but as a teacher you should NEVER advocate violence. She has all the freedom to say what she said but she doesn’t have freedom from consequences for those ignorant and vile words!
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:00 pm to anc
Getting fired/losing your job is one thing. Being prevented from being hired by losing your state-wide license is another matter. This decision will be overturned at some point by the courts, and she'll get her license back along with lost wages etc.
This post was edited on 7/18/24 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:07 pm to novabill
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I abhor what the teacher says, but the state is punishing her for expressing her views.
Do you know the difference in those two scenarios?
It is not illegal to talk about abortion, pro or anti, on the internet. It is against the law to talk about assassinating the president on the internet.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 9:22 am to boudinman
Once again as a 3rd generation educator I disagree. Losing her license in the state is completely validated by her actions. The punishment is harsh but within established guidelines, at least for a period of time. She is free to move to another state or teach at private schools. Your stance shows a misunderstanding of what free speech is and how it is protected in this country. By your logic the teacher could post on Facebook encouraging people to murder her students and the state couldn’t touch her teaching license.
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/25/24 at 9:42 am to novabill
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She lost her not just her job but her license because the government disapproved of her speech.
quote:just so you’re clear: you don’t want government to have the power to revoke a license issued by the very same government?
That broader issue is whether or not we want government to have thos power. I for one do not.
what gave them the power to issue the license in the first place?
Posted on 7/25/24 at 10:37 am to FearlessFreep
Absolutely and to add to that the license came with rules and requirements that this teacher 100% violated.
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 9:02 pm
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