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Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:08 pm to Korkstand
you misspelled gay
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:11 pm to graves1
quote:Sure, but if consenting adults are involved, who gets to decide whether it's moral, or even legal?
The "choice" is to act on the urges.
quote:Well sure.
Are you really gay if you have never had sex with another man?
quote:Those are terms that are defined by particular actions. Being gay is defined by something internal. fricking a dude wouldn't make you gay (though enjoying it would, I guess
If so, does that make a person a thief because they thought about stealing something? Or a murderer because one had thoughts of killing someone?
) any more than not fricking a dude makes you straight. quote:He can make a stand for whatever he damn well pleases in his personal life. Just don't put your religion into policy.
But I do believe Pence has the right to make a stand for what his religious teachings tell him.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:14 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:17 pm to BBONDS25
What's funny?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:52 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I don't, and I'm not in a position of power to make that decision. I'm simply asking that Pence and his ilk who do have that power not try to make that decision for everyone, either.
Has that happened? Please give examples.
Nevertheless, I wasn't speaking about Pence. I was suggesting that, a lot of the time, people just don't like that some find the act of homosexuality immoral. And, they conflate the attraction with the action so that they can make arguments like the one you did. Inevitably, they want to tell people that their opinion on morality is wrong. They call it "hate" and call those people "bigots".
Meanwhile, most of the time, those people don't want the government to do anything to prevent homosexuality, don't want to persecute homosexuals publicly, etc. The latter group is much more willing to accept the former. It's highly ironic.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:53 pm to CAD703X
Impeach him now!
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:54 pm to Korkstand
quote:
He can make a stand for whatever he damn well pleases in his personal life. Just don't put your religion into policy.
Politicians are elected based on their personal beliefs. That's how we the people select who to put in office. From Mayor of some podunk town to President of The United States. You have three sides in this argument. The religious crowd that believe homosexuality is a sin. Their goal is to tell others about God. To spread the word of their religion. Then you have the LGBTX crowd. They want you to accept what they are doing. That you should be ok with their behavior. And finally the who gives a shite crowd. That includes straight and gay people. We just want to be happy. Don't tell us what to think or believe. This group believes you have the right to feel how you want.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:19 pm to moneyg
quote:RFRA, for starters. It's impossible to deny that he is outspoken about his religious beliefs and that those beliefs heavily influence his actions/voting. And that's fine I guess since people vote for that. Just saying don't be surprised when people object, especially considering freedom of religion (and freedom from religion) is one of the major underpinnings of our nation.
Has that happened? Please give examples.
quote:Well, it's hard to argue that it's something other than hatred or bigotry when one is vocally opposed to the way someone else lives.
I was suggesting that, a lot of the time, people just don't like that some find the act of homosexuality immoral. And, they conflate the attraction with the action so that they can make arguments like the one you did. Inevitably, they want to tell people that their opinion on morality is wrong. They call it "hate" and call those people "bigots".
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:24 pm to graves1
quote:I understand. It's just that I, and many others, kind of feel its our duty to do what we can to protect the first amendment. IMO, putting religious opinions into law encroaches on that.
Politicians are elected based on their personal beliefs. That's how we the people select who to put in office.
quote:Seems to me that if we truly believe in a free society, most of us should be in group #3, correct?
You have three sides in this argument. The religious crowd that believe homosexuality is a sin. Their goal is to tell others about God. To spread the word of their religion. Then you have the LGBTX crowd. They want you to accept what they are doing. That you should be ok with their behavior. And finally the who gives a shite crowd. That includes straight and gay people. We just want to be happy. Don't tell us what to think or believe. This group believes you have the right to feel how you want.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:25 pm to CAD703X
quote:
Oh damn! Pence allegations just surfaced
Pelosi think he should resign.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:31 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Well, it's hard to argue that it's something other than hatred or bigotry when one is vocally opposed to the way someone else lives.
It is comments like this that cause most of the issues in this particular argument. If Pence believes you are doing something that is against his beliefs, it has to be hatred or bigotry. Even tho he is vocal about his beliefs because he wants you to go to heaven. How is that hatred? Would seem more like love. Wanting the best for someone.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:37 pm to CAD703X
Squeaky clean! How refreshing. We need more public servants like Mike Pence.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:38 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Seems to me that if we truly believe in a free society, most of us should be in group #3, correct?
Pence is doing what he believes. He lives by the teachings in the Bible. Should he not have the right to practice his faith?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:50 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Seems to me that if we truly believe in a free society, most of us should be in group #3, correct?
Free society maybe. Better world no. I would consider myself to be in group #3. It is a somewhat selfish group. I personally don't care if you die tomorrow and go to Hell. And that is very sad that I feel so little for my fellow man.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:58 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I don't care what people choose to do about their sexuality.
So you're passive.
How about if you were forced to support it or punished if you spoke against it?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:15 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Don't act like a "straight" dude never got drunk and tried to frick another dud
Huh?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:16 pm to graves1
quote:
Even tho he is vocal about his beliefs because he wants you to go to heaven. How is that hatred? Would seem more like love. Wanting the best for someone.
Then perhaps he should have been a pastor? Because working to enact laws that make specific people feel less free than others isn't very loving.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:18 pm to graves1
quote:
Pence is doing what he believes. He lives by the teachings in the Bible. Should he not have the right to practice his faith?
Of course, and he does. He can practice all he wants.
Is it too much to ask that he not work to prevent others from doing the same?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:20 pm to graves1
quote:The poliboard, where freer is not better.
Free society maybe. Better world no.
quote:
I would consider myself to be in group #3. It is a somewhat selfish group. I personally don't care if you die tomorrow and go to Hell. And that is very sad that I feel so little for my fellow man.
It is not at all selfish to allow others to live their lives.
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