re: Oh damn! Pence allegations just surfaced

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First of all, there’s a difference between saying that some gay people have made a choice to be gay versus saying that all gays made a choice to be gay.

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Yeah, isn't that what I said?

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If anyone thinks that there are no gays who have chosen to be “open” or “bi-sexual”, and who have changed their mind from being straight, to gay, to bi, back to straight, or any combination thereof, then you haven’t been listening to the gay community, and/or the ultra progressives.

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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Those who feel they have a choice in their sexuality are somewhere in the middle of the sliding scale, while those who are closer to the extremes of the scale feel they don't have a choice.

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In my own experience, I have a neice who dated boys in high school, went to a liberal college and became a radical NY feminist, then became an open, head shaved lesbian who opened a “womyn’s bookstore”, then later went to Harvard business school to get an MBA, sold the bookstore, became straight again, married a rich guy from Harvard, and now has three children and is a stay at home mom.

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Sounds like she's pretty near the middle of the scale.

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My daughter has two best friends in her local arts-centered high school who dated boys, then decided they were gay and started dating each other, then broke up and started dating boys again. They see no inconsistency and don’t fret about the label of being gay or bi. They just “love who they want to love”. They are fine with the concept of someone choosing their sexuality.

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Exactly.


Do you follow what I'm saying yet?

Wait, I thought uber-lib Kevin Spacey just recently made a choice to live as a gay man

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It's not what he thinks, it's what he says and does. He has made attacking the rights of a certain group/class of people a large part of his career.


But here is what I think is funny: he thinks that being gay is a choice. Now ask yourself as a straight person (I assume, I know shame on me), could you ever, EVER make the choice to be gay? I, for one, cannot ever imagine myself making such a choice. It's simply not the way I was born, I suppose.

So really think about it... how could anyone think they have a choice? The only possible way to have a choice to make about your sexuality is if you are somewhere in the "gray area" between straight and gay, right? In other words, bisexual. Just understand that it is a sliding scale. Most of us are very far to the straight end, while others are very far to the gay end. Others, still, are kind of somewhere in the middle. Some of them choose to be bisexual, while others seemingly battle making this "choice" to be straight or gay. This is apparently where Pence lies on the scale.

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I don't know what Pence's stance is but very, very few think homosexuality is a choice. A large portion believe it is immoral though (the act, not the attraction).

I've see many make the jump that it can't be immoral because it's not a choice when in truth they are conflating the act with the attraction to the same sex.

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My point is why should anyone care what any other person does with their private parts, as long as consenting adults are involved?

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Well, why is Pence being criticized? Is that what you’re doing?

If a person chooses to go to some counselor or program to help them make the choice to be straight, why do you care?

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Well, why is Pence being criticized? Is that what you’re doing?

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I am criticizing his political agenda and his justifications for his actions.

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If a person chooses to go to some counselor or program to help them make the choice to be straight, why do you care?

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I don't care what people choose to do about their sexuality.

i'm just going to leave this right here:

2 of my wife's best friends are a married lesbian couple going through a super ugly divorce.

very typical. a butch and a lipstick and they have a 3yo girl through 'in vitro'.

both staunchly IDENTITY POLITICS MEN-ARE-SCUM (but i'm ok because i'm married to their bestie)

BOTH have spent the night at our house while in the midst of said divorce (we tried to stay neutral in the beginning)

BOTH consumed too much alcohol at various times and BOTH aggressively pursued me (and my wife); one even grabbing my dick and saying it would be ok just once.

this is no penthouse letter but an anecdotal story that once the fog of alcohol descended, it was interesting what they were suddenly 'into'.

YMMV, cad is making shite up again, etc etc.

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i'm just going to leave this right here:

2 of my wife's best friends are a married lesbian couple going through a super ugly divorce.

very typical. a butch and a lipstick and they have a 3yo girl through 'in vitro'.

BOTH have spent the night at our house while in the midst of said divorce (we tried to stay neutral in the beginning)

BOTH consumed too much alcohol at various times and BOTH aggressively pursued me (and my wife) grabbing my dick and saying it would be ok just once.

this is no penthouse letter but an anecdotal story that once the fog of alcohol descended, it was interesting what they were suddenly 'into'.

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Don't act like a "straight" dude never got drunk and tried to frick another dude.

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So really think about it... how could anyone think they have a choice?

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The "choice" is to act on the urges. Are you really gay if you have never had sex with another man? If so, does that make a person a thief because they thought about stealing something? Or a murderer because one had thoughts of killing someone? And I know you are going to say I am comparing gay people to thieves and murders. I am not. I don't really care if someone is gay or not.
But I do believe Pence has the right to make a stand for what his religious teachings tell him. Just like I believe a gay man has the right to say he was born that way.

Got him this time!

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Vice President Race Bannon.