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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Posted on 4/5/26 at 9:56 pm to
Posted by PaulDrake
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 9:56 pm to
Trump gives an exact deadline to start infrastructure bombing at 8 pm ET Tuesday if Iran does not comply with his demands.

Iran can not say Trump did not give them plenty of warning and chances.



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This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 9:58 pm
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:10 pm to
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In last-ditch push, the U.S., Iran and a group of regional mediators are discussing the terms for a potential 45-day ceasefire that could lead to a permanent end to the war, according to four U.S., Israeli and regional sources


I don't believe it. There are no talks. The whole system is fragmented. Communications are hard. This is just to get the word out to the IRGC foot soldiers that their leaders are going to make a deal.

This puts it in their heads. Why should I fight and die when a deal is right around the corner. If you are die hard it would hurt you resolve and give you an off ramp. If you fear death and think your leaders are about to cave you aren't going to be putting up much of a fight when the locals start picking off your buddies.
Posted by JasonDBlaha
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:36 pm to
Al Jazeera is a GCC-based media network. The journalists at that network are probably on their knees praying that Trump won’t escalate this.

If Trump hits Iran’s power plants, it’s over for the Gulf states and they know it.
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Posted by Hobie101
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:36 pm to
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In last-ditch push, the U.S., Iran and a group of regional mediators are discussing the terms for a potential 45-day ceasefire that could lead to a permanent end to the war, according to four U.S., Israeli and regional sources


Is this part of the negotiations?

Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:38 pm to
Gotta arm the protestors of the uprising. They know who they need to shoot or drone.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:45 pm to
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That post doesn’t jive with this one you posted earlier.

Not the first time I’ve believed different factions of the regime are trying to do the talking
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:46 pm to
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NATO is in far bigger danger than anyone realizes. And the reason has nothing to do with defense budgets.

The real danger is psychological. It’s cultural.

Europeans didn’t just free-ride on American security for 80 years. They built an entire identity around the idea that they evolved past the Americans protecting them.

That identity is now the single biggest obstacle to Western survival. And the darkest irony is: we helped build it.
After World War II, Europe wasn’t just economically shattered. Its culture was in ruins. The cities, the universities, the concert halls, the museums. Rubble.

The Marshall Plan rebuilt the economy. But culture wasn’t a priority. Not at first.
Then the Iron Curtain dropped. And suddenly culture became a weapon.

American diplomats, academics, artists & scholars flooded Western Europe. We funded their universities. Supported their orchestras. Rebuilt their museums. Promoted their intellectual life.
Not because European culture needed saving for its own sake.

Because Eastern Europeans were struggling for Maslow’s mist basic needs.

We needed the view from the other side of that Wall to be intoxicating.

So America built Western Europe into a showcase of self-actualization. Art. Philosophy. Cafe culture. Long vacations. Universities where people studied literature instead of surviving.
We were manufacturing jealousy.

And it worked. The Wall came down.

But here’s what no one accounted for.

When you give a society self-actualization on someone else’s tab long enough, they forget it was a gift. They start believing it was organically theirs.

And when they look at the country that funded it all, a country busy building aircraft carriers and semiconductor fabs and shale fields instead of reaching the Maslow’s pinnacle.

An overweight American in a ball cap who can’t tell Monet from Pissarro. Who eats fast food. Who drives a truck. Who builds strip malls instead of piazzas.

And to a culture trained in aesthetics but stripped of strategic awareness, that American looks uncivilized.

So the arrogance takes root. And once a culture decides another is beneath them, they stop listening.

Americans say wars are sometimes necessary: crude.

Oil is the backbone of prosperity: unsophisticated.

Kids build companies in garages that reshape the planet: crass.

Wall Street finances the global economy: vulgar.

Europe has no world-class technology sector. No military capable of strong defense. No energy independence. No AI capacity.

What Europe has is culture. The culture we paid for at the expense of us reaching Maslow’s pinnacle.

For decades that was fine. We funded the museums, protected the sea lanes, and tolerated the sneering because the arrangement worked.

Then Europeans stopped keeping the contempt private. They started saying it to our faces. In their media. In their parliaments. At every international forum. “Americans are stupid.

Americans are violent. Americans are a threat to democracy.”

We could have moved the Louvre to NY. We could have built a Venice here. We could have stolen your best artists, designers, philosophers and more… like your conquering armies did for centuries.

Instead we funded them. And all we asked for in return was to let us visit.

You don’t have the military to defend your borders. You don’t have the technology to compete. You don’t have the energy to heat your homes without begging dictators.

What you have is an 80-year superiority complex FUNDED BY AMERICANS, protected by American soldiers, and built on the false belief that self-actualization is civilization.

It isn’t. Civilization is the ability to sustain itself. By that measure, Europe isn’t a civilization at all. It’s a dependency with better wine.

That’s not a threat. It’s a weather report.

Build a Navy. Or don’t. But stop lecturing the people who made you “better than us”

Our “crudeness” our “stunted liberal education” our “ugly strip malls” are because we sacrificed our culture to support yours.
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:48 pm to
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The IDF has just completed a wave of strikes targeting infrastructure of the Iranian terror regime in Tehran.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 10:55 pm to
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Iranian resistance groups are setting fires near Iranian Missile launchpads for hits. It's beginning.


looks like Red Dawn is about to be real
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 11:01 pm to
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Abu Azrael, "The Angel of Death," has arrived in Tehran.

Real name Ayoub Falih Hassan al-Rubaie, born 1978 in Iraq. Former university lecturer, one-time Taekwondo champion, and father of five. He first took up arms with the Mahdi Army against US forces during the 2003 invasion, then became one of the most feared commanders against ISIS in Syria and Iraq as part of the Popular Mobilization Forces.

He's now in Tehran coordinating with the IRGC on plans for a potential US ground invasion. The man who fought the Americans in Iraq is back, and ready to do it again.

His catchphrase: "Illa tahin" — "Grind you to dust."
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 11:03 pm to
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Why should I fight and die when a deal is right around the corner. If you are die hard it would hurt you resolve and give you an off ramp.


All the Mullahs kids are here in the US and Europe busy luxury shopping - not having meetings in their own country about their said country’s future. I’m very surprised this isn’t a bigger story.

Let the peons do the bidding of the mullahs is their mindset.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 11:11 pm to
It’s funny to see pro-Russian accounts support pedo-terrorist loving Iran their ally, then be upset that American accounts support Israel our ally

They’re licking the same window as some here
Posted by wfallstiger
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Posted on 4/5/26 at 11:16 pm to
I give him 72 - maybe 96 - hours
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 1:35 am to
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An Arab diplomat involved in contacts between Iran and the United States told Kan News that Iran believes, not only publicly but also behind the scenes, that it can stop the war on terms far more favorable to itself, not on terms set by the U.S. and Israel, which it views as nothing short of surrender. For this reason, Iran has not even responded to the Trump administration’s 15-point proposal.

According to the same diplomat, the prevailing assessment within the ayatollah regime is that it can sustain a prolonged conflict and inflict even heavier damage on Israel, the United States, and regional countries.

Therefore, diplomatic circles in the region believe that something highly unusual would need to happen within the next 24 hours to prevent the looming escalation.
Posted by trinidadtiger
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 5:24 am to
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All the Mullahs kids are here in the US and Europe busy luxury shopping - not having meetings in their own country about their said country’s future. I’m very surprised this isn’t a bigger story.


You mean the media is lying to us, there are not 90 million radicals who hate us?

What next, you gonna tell me Biden didnt get 80 million votes?
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 5:27 am to
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It appears they may be trying to leave the cable-stayed main units and only impact approach spans.

Good point, DG! That damage can be easily and cheaply fixed.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 5:28 am to
Oh nooos the angel of death.....its scarier than the ghost of ukraine.
Posted by Penrod
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55244 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 5:32 am to
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If Trump hits Iran’s power plants, it’s over for the Gulf states and they know it.

That’s melodramatic. If Iran retaliates they will cause some damage, some outages, some deaths and some inconvenience. But none of this is approaching an existential event for any of these countries.
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
9078 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:07 am to
Nope! Foot on gas!
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
7004 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:12 am to
Not sure how many militia came in over the last few weeks but hopefully we are taking them out just as much as we took out the Guard and Basij.

Ultimately their coming in proves the regime can only hold on by force at this point.

Every dead hard liner is one less to cause the world problems in the future.
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