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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:52 am to
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:52 am to
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sorry it went over your head

Me too.

But I don’t think they would have a problem bringing them through the Strait.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 12:54 am
Posted by engvol
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:16 am to
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Classic start to an anti-Trump post.


Blindly following a political leader with no room for criticism is a classic democrat trait
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:43 am to
I swear, Your posts are a waste of electrons.

Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:51 am to
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we wouldn't have been able to conduct our air campaign with anything like its current sortie level without using NATO bases. That's just a fact.


Headline on CNBC this morning:

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Trump says he’s considering pulling U.S. out of ‘paper tiger’ NATO


Link to full story
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
25274 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:52 am to
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Secretary Rubio stated this evening on Hannity that Iran has refused to hand over its stockpile of uranium


Is Rubio saying the uranium is NOT buried under a mountain of rubble?
Posted by Rainier Fog
Member since Jul 2025
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:58 am to
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Laundry room fire"


Correct, the most common fire on board Navy vessels
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:30 am to
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Let's unpack this..

What if the White House has no intention of reopening the Strait of Hormuz?

What if this war is really about ships & tariffs?

I had a long discussion with senior DOE official yesterday on background. I can’t share any details but it’s clear everyone’s Strait of Hormuz calculus is wrong.

We need to go back to the drawing boards.

That's it. That's the tweet. Now a hypothetical with my personal thoughts.


This is some interesting stuff.

Could it be that we've made a deal with Iran that allows them to set up their toll booths? That would be a big "frick you!" from Trump to the Europeans.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:32 am to
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If they leave now they can be there in 6 months.


Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
3885 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:36 am to
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If they leave now they can be there in 6 months.


Grozny is a one day drive to Tehran but go off.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 7:20 am to
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No shite Lord Sherlock. You don’t even have enough escorts to protect one carrier and definitely not two. Hell the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force only have 30 F35s combined. Each one of the Queen Elizabeth class carriers is supposed to carry 36 F35s in war time.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 7:40 am to
There is more to the Strait of Hormuz than crude oil and LNG transit. There is also the economies o Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia to consider.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 7:41 am to
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If they leave now they can be there in 6 months. Grozny is a one day drive to Tehran but go off.


Not if A10s create some roadblocks.
Posted by T1gerNate
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 7:49 am to
My god imagine how bad the polling must be

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Posted by omegaman66
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 7:50 am to
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BREAKING: Nonstop heavy airstrikes are pounding Iran’s southern coastline, with multiple targets hit in and around Bandar Abbas, a key strategic port near the Strait of Hormuz.



Could this be the answer as to where the MEU is headed?
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 7:50 am to
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
3885 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:17 am to
OK dotard. We all believe you.
Posted by lsutiger90
Cottage Grove, Houston, TX
Member since May 2004
1155 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:18 am to
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Grozny is a one day drive to Tehran but go off.


So the country/countries they would have to pass through have no say so?

I think invading another country to support Iran would have some international consequences?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
33016 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:18 am to
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President Trump isn't just befuddling foreign leaders and financial markets with his mixed signals on Iran. Advisers who speak regularly with the president tell Axios they're just as uncertain.

Why it matters: Trump's off-the-cuff musings and Truth Social postings can have life-or-death consequences for the war, and massive implications for the market. Then the cycle restarts without any lasting clarity.
Between the lines: Some Trump aides and allies say he's mostly improvising rather than following any clear plan.

He likes to keep his options open, spitball with different audiences, then capitalize if he thinks he sees an opportunity, they say.

Aides have been convinced at various points that Trump was leaning toward a major escalation, and at others that he was eager for a swift resolution. "Nobody knows in the end what he's really thinking," a senior adviser said.

"They had a plan for the first week and since then, they are making the plan up as they go along," a former U.S. official said.


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Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:20 am to
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Iran was trying to use the North Korean model to get a nuke: create sufficient conventional deterrence so you won’t be challenged in acquiring one (it’s called the Seoul Hostage Problem).

This has been explained over and over since day one.

Everyone claiming shifting goalposts or no imminent threat has been lying.

The reason North Korea was allowed to get nukes is because Seoul (and its 10 million inhabitants) is within artillery and rocket range of North Korea.

During the 1994 nuclear crisis, the Clinton administration seriously considered airstrikes on North Korea’s Yongbyon reactor but backed off precisely because of the artillery threat to Seoul.

Iran was trying to accomplish the same by stockpiling missiles and drones which would have had the same deterrent effect. The proof is what Iran has been doing in the past month: attacking all its neighbors in order to pressure the US to stop attacking it

Beyond this, they were building medium-range ballistic missiles that could reach Paris and London, meaning all of Europe could be held hostage as they built a nuclear bomb.

The reason Iran has not built a nuclear weapon until now is not because it couldn’t, but because it knew it would be attacked and denied this capability.

So by allowing them to continue developing this conventional deterrence, you would be allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon.

And unlike North Korea, Iran is led by an eschatological death cult

Reagan saw nuclear mutually assured destruction (MAD) as both morally bankrupt (because of the innocent-body-count problem) and dangerously fragile because it assumed flawless rationality between adversaries…this means it only takes one irrational actor to destroy the world.

Working backwards from the conclusion that Iran’s Islamist regime must never have a nuclear weapon, it was necessary for the US to attack Iran to deny it the conventional capacity to hold the entire eastern hemisphere hostage.

Every European leader knows this and behind the scenes praises the US for this action. But they are cowards, held hostage by their own internal Muslim populations, and so adopt these ridiculous public positions.

This was never about Israel. And if your argument is that Iran should be allowed to get a nuclear weapon then you are a fool and a traitor to western civilization…you’re a useful idiot

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And here’s another thing for my European brothers and sisters to consider

The United States and Israel were never going to allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon

So if this didn’t happen now, it would’ve happened in a year or two, but the difference is that what you see happening to the GCC (having their civilians and infrastructure bombed) would be happening all over Europe

Instead of the Seoul Hostage Problem, you’d have the Europe Hostage Problem
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45944 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:22 am to
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BREAKING: Nonstop heavy airstrikes are pounding Iran’s southern coastline, with multiple targets hit in and around Bandar Abbas, a key strategic port near the Strait of Hormuz. Could this be the answer as to where the MEU is headed?


Yes. No. Only the jarheads know.
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