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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by hawgfaninc
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1. Iranian leadership decapitated.

2. Iranians restore a secular government that is not trying to raise the Hidden Imam.

3. Absent funding to Hamas and Hezbollah, the Arab-Israeli conflict ends.

4. Abraham Accords in full force across the region.

5. Peace in the Middle East.

Unlike some of our stupider adventures in places like Somalia and Iraq, this one has clear objectives and a well defined outcome, all without boots on the ground or an enduring US military commitment.

Explained.

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Six years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the Soleimani killing, I participated in a joint conference tasked with planning for war scenarios with Iran.

My unit was asked to advise the Air Force on the integration of Marine Corps HIMARS into potential combat operations in the Straits of Hormuz. The conference was relatively brief and very much preliminary.

At the time, I thought the whole thing was a farce. Many of the other planners were eager for conflict, but I, correctly, believed the likelihood of a wider conflict at the time was very low.

One conversation, however, stands out to me. In a break out session one of the consultants, a retired Lt. Col, started going on about how "we" were going to crush the Iranians in a potential war.

Mind you, he was overweight, dressed in a too-tight polo, and eating chips out of a bag when he said this.

It occurred to me then that there was no "we" here. In a war, men like that would be sitting in the rear, fat and happy, going home to their wife and kids every night.

"We" didn't mean him; it meant me and my men.

War is not a game. It is existential. The stakes are always high. Serious men do not bloviate about war.

What bothered me most about that conference--what bothered me most about my military service as a whole--was the lack of connection between means and ends. No one ever asked what war was supposed to accomplish.

We were great at discussing communications architecture, logistics, capabilities, and alternative courses of action. Yet it never occurred to anyone to raise the core premise: what exactly were we supposed to achieve? What did success look like? Why?

At that time, in early 2020, I knew I was getting out and going to graduate school for precisely that reason. To me, the most important questions remained unanswered.

The ensuing years brought clarity. I see the problems far more clearly. I have come to a much better grasp of the possible solutions.

My skepticism of the military and political apparatus remains. Some things have obviously improved with Trump's re-election, but we have not yet gone to the heart of the problem. The current war with Iran reflects, in my view, an ongoing misunderstanding at worst and lack of clarity at best regarding what exactly the American government is supposed to do in the world.

There is much talk online of how millennials were "one shotted" by George Bush's failures in Iraq, that this is the source of our opposition to military involvement in the Middle East. In my case at least that is not true.

The problem is not that America hasn't fought effectively enough. The problem is the conflicts themselves. The real problem is at the very center. Why? Why are we going to war? Why are we killing people? Why are we risking our lives? What have we really accomplished?

I do not think that even America's "successful" interventions such as the Gulf War, WWI, and the Spanish-American War have been good for the United States. I am not wealthier, happier, or safer because of our global crusades for morality and "international stability." The long term consequences of these interventions have been quite ruinous indeed.

America as global policeman has been uniformly bad for our national character; it has been profoundly expensive, resulted in a massive expansion of taxation and state power, and an enormous loss of life. There were and are better alternatives.

My goal now, for the last several years, has been to try and make arguments for a better way. I have had some success but obviously not as much as I would like. It is what it is. There is much more work to be done.

The current conflict offers an opportunity for serious men to reflect, to plan for the future. It opens the problems anew.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:50 pm to
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Is there any coverage with live feeds from cities in Israel/Tehran which can show the missiles and iron dome actions? It's talking heads on all the news networks interviewing people I don't care about.




Here ya go
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:52 pm to
To the question of why would Iran and/or its proxies be firing missiles at countries other than Israel, perhaps it’s based on a thought by very desperate “backups” now finding themselves in the role of decision makers, hoping to essentially extort “the world” into putting pressure on the U.S. and Israel to cease with further bombing operations within Iran. In other words, “get them to stop, then we’ll stop.” Not saying it’s a good idea, just spitballing.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:52 pm to


And another
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:54 pm to


This one is good too, but they are about to log off I think
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:57 pm to


3 live cams of Nafa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. No commentary
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:58 pm to
That was strange looking
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:07 pm to
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Footage from on the ground near the Southern Iranian city of Shiraz captured an MQ-9 Reaper with the U.S. Air Force firing an AGM-114 “Hellfire” Air-to-Surface Missile against a ballistic missile launcher that had revealed itself and was preparing to launch against Israel or others countries in the Middle East.
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Posted by DD_Rolltide
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:07 pm to
thanks!
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:11 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:12 pm to
Who is running Iran now?
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:12 pm to
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A cynical statement: the head of Iran’s Foreign Ministry urged the Gulf countries to "understand" Iran’s attacks

"We are not attacking our brothers in the Persian Gulf, we are not attacking our neighbors. We are attacking American targets," said Abbas Araghchi.

"This is not our fault. We were attacked. Our brothers expect us to sit and watch as the Americans attack us using bases and facilities on their territories?" he added.

Great logic. The U.S. and Israel struck us? Here’s a hotel in the UAE and a high-rise in Bahrain for you!

As it turns out, Iranians can spin lies just as well as the Russians:

"We started with attacks on their military bases. They evacuated the military bases and moved to hotels, where they created human shields for themselves. This is not actually an act of war. We are trying to strike only military personnel and facilities that help the U.S. military in their operation against Iran," Araghchi said.

Listen, we've heard this somewhere before...
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:13 pm to
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Who is running Iran now?


Nobody.
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:14 pm to
Ballsy statement. It’s not you, it’s us
Posted by wfallstiger
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Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:20 pm to
Dear Arachagi

Your neighbors have been fed up with your shenanigans for quite a while, now. They realized only the USofA and Israel could accomplish that which we couldn't.
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We 'green lighted' the Americans and the Hebrew State and there is no going back. You were given ample opportunities to stand down but your arrogance was too weighty to overcome.

May God - the One True God - have mercy on your souls [but I wouldn't hold my breath[

Always and no longer Forever for You.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:21 pm to
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A cynical statement: the head of Iran’s Foreign Ministry urged the Gulf countries to "understand" Iran’s attacks

"We are not attacking our brothers in the Persian Gulf, we are not attacking our neighbors. We are attacking American targets," said Abbas Araghchi.

"This is not our fault.

Those gaslighting mother fu......

It took me years to learn what gaslighting is. I think I finally used it correctly here.
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 6:23 pm
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:22 pm to
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