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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/21/26 at 1:30 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/21/26 at 1:30 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:26 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/21/26 at 4:20 pm to Stinger_1066
Posted on 6/21/26 at 4:28 pm to Stinger_1066
quote:
So, Vance is "good cop" and Trump is "bad cop"?
I guess I can see that.
Otherwise, Vance wasted his time going to Switzerland.
Vance is the patsy asked to be front and center for anything that can go wrong because he is not a powerful or connected man and he couldn't say no because his poor white striver drive got the best of him when offered the VP position.
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 4:30 pm to Tigerfan1274
Idiot
A U.S. official tells
@realDailyWire
that this supposed snub is “complete nonsense.”
“The U.S. delegation had just spent hours with the Qataris and there was no need to re-greet someone having just spent hours with,” the official says. “The decision to give statements together before meeting was done impromptu, which is why it wasn't a staged greeting.”
A U.S. official tells
@realDailyWire
that this supposed snub is “complete nonsense.”
“The U.S. delegation had just spent hours with the Qataris and there was no need to re-greet someone having just spent hours with,” the official says. “The decision to give statements together before meeting was done impromptu, which is why it wasn't a staged greeting.”
Posted on 6/21/26 at 4:55 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Posted on 6/21/26 at 5:02 pm to hawgfaninc
There is decorum and civility and then there is the tribalism of the Middle East We are not the same - our worldviews are as far as East is from West --- dismiss the core differences at one's own peril.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 5:20 pm to wfallstiger
Posted on 6/21/26 at 6:47 pm to BayouBengal51
quote:
until Israel stops defending itself against Hezbollah
I've seen that statement more than once. It's seems more retarded the more I see it.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 6:54 pm to DMAN1968
Posted on 6/21/26 at 7:03 pm to Bunk Moreland
Trump and Bibi have known all along that the Iranian regime was not going to abide by any agreement. They know they must take the Strait of Hormuz. Trump has been playing them and preparing for what is coming. The Iranians think they are dealing with a president, but actually, they are dealing with the Godfather.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 7:11 pm to Goforit
quote:
Trump and Bibi have known all along that the Iranian regime was not going to abide by any agreement. They know they must take the Strait of Hormuz. Trump has been playing them and preparing for what is coming. The Iranians think they are dealing with a president, but actually, they are dealing with the Godfath
This is my HOPE. Do you have anything to bolster my confidence with some evidence?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 8:51 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/21/26 at 8:54 pm to BayouBengal51
This just basically sounds like they confirmed the MOU exists. So essentially really nothing has changed.
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The senior committee agreed on a roadmap to achieve a final agreement within 60 days, thereby laying the foundations for the immediate opening of further technical talks. In addition, a communication channel was established between the parties to prevent incidents and misunderstandings and to ensure the safe passage of commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz"
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 8:58 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:
Vance is the patsy asked to be front and center for anything that can go wrong because he is not a powerful or connected man and he couldn't say no because his poor white striver drive got the best of him when offered the VP position.
The constant underestimation of the sharpness of Vance & Trump by peasants without any real intel is amusing
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:12 pm to BayouBengal51
There’s only 2 viable solutions:
Help the civilians take over province by province with the help of American air power
Or
Get back to the status quo before the war happened without losing too much face.
Either one of these is gonna be hard to do.
As long as the regime stays in power, they can force the insurance companies not to insure and thus no shipping happens.
All this BS would go away if there wasn’t any oil there.
Help the civilians take over province by province with the help of American air power
Or
Get back to the status quo before the war happened without losing too much face.
Either one of these is gonna be hard to do.
As long as the regime stays in power, they can force the insurance companies not to insure and thus no shipping happens.
All this BS would go away if there wasn’t any oil there.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:37 pm to hawgfaninc
quote:
An Iranian official told Reuters that negotiations between Tehran and Washington in Switzerland have stalled but have not ended.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:44 pm to UptownJoeBrown
quote:
Help the civilians take over province by province with the help of American air power
The Ghaddafi solution except without Hillary and Obama replacing Ghaddafi with something worse.
Solution 2 is to arm the protestors whose friends were killed with Ukraine suicide drones and conventional arms.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 7:07 am to Auburn1968
During this slow time, I thought I'd post the information below that I posted in the SoH thread. I've read every page in this thread and don't recall seeing "Rules" of use for International waterways and straits. Doesn't really mater if countries want to do what they want to do, but below are the international agreed upon expectations for a location like the straits of Hormuz.
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Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), straits used for international navigation are governed by the regime of transit passage, which balances the sovereignty of bordering states with the need for unimpeded global maritime and aerial flow.
Key Rules for Transit Passage
Right of Passage: All ships and aircraft, including warships and submarines (which may transit submerged), enjoy the right of continuous and expeditious transit through the entire strait and its approaches.
No Suspension: Bordering states cannot suspend transit passage for any reason, including security concerns, nor can they impose requirements that effectively hamper or impair this right.
Prohibited Activities: Vessels and aircraft must refrain from any threat or use of force against the bordering states, conduct weapons exercises, or engage in intelligence gathering. Activities unrelated to transit, such as loitering or scientific research without authorization, are prohibited.
Compliance Obligations: Users must comply with generally accepted international regulations regarding maritime safety, collision avoidance, and the prevention of marine pollution.
Coastal State Authority: Bordering states may designate sea lanes and prescribe traffic separation schemes for safety, enforce laws against pollution discharge, and regulate fishing and customs, provided these measures do not nullify the right of transit.
Exceptions and Alternative Regimes
Innocent Passage: If a strait contains a route through the high seas or exclusive economic zone that is equally convenient, ships may use that route under the ordinary freedom of navigation rather than transit passage.
Existing Conventions: The transit passage regime does not apply to straits regulated by long-standing international conventions, such as the Turkish Straits (governed by the 1936 Montreux Convention) or the Danish Straits.
Geographic Exceptions: If a strait is formed by an island belonging to a coastal state and its mainland, and there is a seaward route of similar convenience, the transit passage regime may not apply to that specific route.
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EDIT...
Key metrics for 2025 traffic include: With respect to the Straits of Hormuz
Crude Oil: Nearly 15 million barrels per day of crude oil passed through, with most exports destined for Asia, particularly China and India.
Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG): Around 20% of global LNG trade transited the strait, primarily originating from Qatar.
Vessel Count: Approximately 3,000 vessels typically passed through the strait each month prior to the escalation of conflict in late February 2026.
Alternative Routes: While some oil was diverted via pipelines in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, all LNG had to be transported by ship through the strait, highlighting its indispensable role in global energy markets.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), straits used for international navigation are governed by the regime of transit passage, which balances the sovereignty of bordering states with the need for unimpeded global maritime and aerial flow.
Key Rules for Transit Passage
Right of Passage: All ships and aircraft, including warships and submarines (which may transit submerged), enjoy the right of continuous and expeditious transit through the entire strait and its approaches.
No Suspension: Bordering states cannot suspend transit passage for any reason, including security concerns, nor can they impose requirements that effectively hamper or impair this right.
Prohibited Activities: Vessels and aircraft must refrain from any threat or use of force against the bordering states, conduct weapons exercises, or engage in intelligence gathering. Activities unrelated to transit, such as loitering or scientific research without authorization, are prohibited.
Compliance Obligations: Users must comply with generally accepted international regulations regarding maritime safety, collision avoidance, and the prevention of marine pollution.
Coastal State Authority: Bordering states may designate sea lanes and prescribe traffic separation schemes for safety, enforce laws against pollution discharge, and regulate fishing and customs, provided these measures do not nullify the right of transit.
Exceptions and Alternative Regimes
Innocent Passage: If a strait contains a route through the high seas or exclusive economic zone that is equally convenient, ships may use that route under the ordinary freedom of navigation rather than transit passage.
Existing Conventions: The transit passage regime does not apply to straits regulated by long-standing international conventions, such as the Turkish Straits (governed by the 1936 Montreux Convention) or the Danish Straits.
Geographic Exceptions: If a strait is formed by an island belonging to a coastal state and its mainland, and there is a seaward route of similar convenience, the transit passage regime may not apply to that specific route.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
EDIT...
Key metrics for 2025 traffic include: With respect to the Straits of Hormuz
Crude Oil: Nearly 15 million barrels per day of crude oil passed through, with most exports destined for Asia, particularly China and India.
Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG): Around 20% of global LNG trade transited the strait, primarily originating from Qatar.
Vessel Count: Approximately 3,000 vessels typically passed through the strait each month prior to the escalation of conflict in late February 2026.
Alternative Routes: While some oil was diverted via pipelines in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, all LNG had to be transported by ship through the strait, highlighting its indispensable role in global energy markets.
This post was edited on 6/22/26 at 7:41 am
Posted on 6/22/26 at 8:51 am to Victor R Franko
Plans of Peace deal must still be on.
Oil prices still dropping.
Oil prices still dropping.
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