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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:43 am to LSUnKaty
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:43 am to LSUnKaty
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The fact is that many Americans question whether the benefits derived from the international order you described still outweigh its costs in the modern globalized world. That debate is a central component of Trump’s MAGA and America First agenda.
Many have long recognized that our Forever War policy is wrong, and is damaging our country - that recognition preceded Trump. So did the other four basic policy positions that define MAGA.
America First is not Trumps, it is ours, and future politicians need to recognize that or go the way of losers like Cornyn, Tillis, etc.
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Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:54 am to Tigerfan1274
1. I have no idea what the hell Trump is thinking. Does he or does he not really want this deal???? If he does he is a moron.
2. I don't think this deal will go through and be the last thing. At best, and I doubt that strongly, at best it is kicking the can down the road.
3. My hope is that this is more stalling simply to have all sides stop shooting while Iran slowly starves do to the sanctions that will result in Internal failure and regime change. Granted this "hope" is just a hope.
If true this is just moronic. We supply 12 billion in funds to the enemy for absolutely nothing in return. This would be the ultimate moronic move.
So Iran basically admits that Hezbollah is part of Iran, who has a mission to take over Lebanon for the reason of attacking Israel and yet this is somehow acceptable. LOL This is beyond belief stupid. A peace deal is suppose to be about piece but this guarantees there will be no peace and it is in the shittiest piece deal to ever be concocted. (if this peace deal is even actually proposed which I have my strong doubts )
Laughable. In the peace deal that we have a clause to talk about shite. This right here is freaking beyond belief.
It is very hard to decide which aspect of the supposed deal that Mehr put out is the most ridiculous. Think about it. this is what the 4th clause that would alone make this the worst peace deal to ever happen ever. This crap is beyond Obama bad. Imagine that Obama gives them a gift under the guise of a deal and this shite is worse. If the USA is on the the hook for 300 billion I will vote for impeachment because it WOULD mean one of two things. Trump is dumber than a vegetable or he is a traitor on the side of Iran now.
This would make sense IF there was an actual decent peace deal that didn't contain all the crap above.
I can't continue. The chance of this actually being the peace deal that both sides will agree too are so ridiculous it is laughable. This reads more like a USA surrender plan than a peace deal.
2. I don't think this deal will go through and be the last thing. At best, and I doubt that strongly, at best it is kicking the can down the road.
3. My hope is that this is more stalling simply to have all sides stop shooting while Iran slowly starves do to the sanctions that will result in Internal failure and regime change. Granted this "hope" is just a hope.
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$12 billion of Iran's frozen funds to be released before negotiations begin, with another $12 billion during the 60-day final negotiation window.
Oil and petrochemical sanctions suspended.
Full naval blockade lifted within 30 days.
If true this is just moronic. We supply 12 billion in funds to the enemy for absolutely nothing in return. This would be the ultimate moronic move.
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An immediate ceasefire is required on all fronts, including Lebanon.
The Strait of Hormuz reopens within 30 days under Iranian arrangements.
So Iran basically admits that Hezbollah is part of Iran, who has a mission to take over Lebanon for the reason of attacking Israel and yet this is somehow acceptable. LOL This is beyond belief stupid. A peace deal is suppose to be about piece but this guarantees there will be no peace and it is in the shittiest piece deal to ever be concocted. (if this peace deal is even actually proposed which I have my strong doubts )
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Iran reaffirms its NPT commitment not to produce nuclear weapons.
A 60-day window is set to negotiate a final deal covering nuclear issues and full sanctions removal.
Laughable. In the peace deal that we have a clause to talk about shite. This right here is freaking beyond belief.
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The U.S. and allies must also present reconstruction plans worth at least $300 billion.
It is very hard to decide which aspect of the supposed deal that Mehr put out is the most ridiculous. Think about it. this is what the 4th clause that would alone make this the worst peace deal to ever happen ever. This crap is beyond Obama bad. Imagine that Obama gives them a gift under the guise of a deal and this shite is worse. If the USA is on the the hook for 300 billion I will vote for impeachment because it WOULD mean one of two things. Trump is dumber than a vegetable or he is a traitor on the side of Iran now.
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Iran's missile program and support for resistance groups are removed from the agenda entirely.
This would make sense IF there was an actual decent peace deal that didn't contain all the crap above.
I can't continue. The chance of this actually being the peace deal that both sides will agree too are so ridiculous it is laughable. This reads more like a USA surrender plan than a peace deal.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:06 am to omegaman66
Why doesn't Trump or Rubio announce the U.S. version of the MOU?
If what we are hearing from Iran is true this is an unmitigated disaster.
If what we are hearing from Iran is true this is an unmitigated disaster.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:11 am to omegaman66
More Iranian propaganda
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:16 am to omegaman66
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3. My hope is that this is more stalling simply to have all sides stop shooting while Iran slowly starves do to the sanctions that will result in Internal failure and regime change. Granted this "hope" is just a hope.
This won't work because as soon as the blockade was lifted, this allowed ships to start docking at Iranian ports. Sanctions or not, they will still be making more than enough money from their allies to keep buying weapons and support material. This is why I don't understand why Trump decided to lift it immediately instead of keeping it in place until a surrender deal was signed.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:20 am to omegaman66
In President Trump's defense, he never said who would be surrendering to whom.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:26 am to BayouBengal51
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This won't work because as soon as the blockade was lifted, this allowed ships to start docking at Iranian ports. Sanctions or not, they will still be making more than enough money from their allies to keep buying weapons and support material. This is why I don't understand why Trump decided to lift it immediately instead of keeping it in place until a surrender deal was signed.
The Europeans also lifted all their sanctions this morning.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:41 am to BayouBengal51
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This won't work because as soon as the blockade was lifted, this allowed ships to start docking at Iranian ports. Sanctions or not, they will still be making more than enough money from their allies to keep buying weapons and support material. This is why I don't understand why Trump decided to lift it immediately instead of keeping it in place until a surrender deal was signed.
My belief is that IF this is more stalling the blockade would not be lifted. Just more BS to keep Iran from attacking anything with missiles and drones and let the clock keep ticking.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:25 am to omegaman66
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1. I have no idea what the hell Trump is thinking. Does he or does he not really want this deal???? If he does he is a moron.
2. I don't think this deal will go through and be the last thing. At best, and I doubt that strongly, at best it is kicking the can down the road.
3. My hope is that this is more stalling simply to have all sides stop shooting while Iran slowly starves do to the sanctions that will result in Internal failure and regime change. Granted this "hope" is just a hope.
I echo these thoughts... I have no idea what is really going on but there seems to be a great deal of misinformation floating around which makes it difficult to really know whats going on... The Trump Admin would do themselves a favor by more effectively communicating what their overall position/goals are....
Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:28 am to GOP_Tiger
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The Europeans also lifted all their sanctions this morning.
The Euro-Trash leaders couldn't wait to start funneling money back into the pockets of their favorite terrorists. The IRGC guys buy lots of shite from them on the black market. Their advocacy groups also funnel a lot of money into the pockets of European politicians.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:32 am to klrstix
Smoke and mirrors, but it seems like Trump wanted markets to open and oil to flow. Something in the background, be it bonds or the economy caused him to pivot, but don’t know the real story, just that the Iranians played this perfectly, at this point
Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:55 am to ninthward
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More Iranian propaganda
Maybe so. But if you are the Trump Administration and you want people to stop believing Iranian propaganda about the MOU, then release the MOU.
This post was edited on 6/15/26 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:02 am to Bronco11
THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE DEAL ARE NOT PUBLIC YET!
As per FoxNews right now.
Maybe wait until we know the details before pissing on the deal?
As per FoxNews right now.
Maybe wait until we know the details before pissing on the deal?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:32 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:32 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
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THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE DEAL ARE NOT PUBLIC YET!
Yeah, we know. That's the problem.
But the Israelis say that it's a terrible deal. And the Pakis, who mediated the deal, say this about it:
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Pakistan has published what it claims are the key terms of the U.S.-Iran agreement:
?? U.S. sanctions on Iran would be lifted.
?? Frozen Iranian funds would be partially released.
?? A ceasefire would take effect across all fronts, alongside an Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
?? Iran’s uranium stockpile and nuclear facilities would remain inside Iran.
?? A $300 billion compensation fund would be established for Iran.
?? The U.S. embargo on Iran would be removed.
?? Iran would assume responsibility for managing the Strait of Hormuz and collecting transit fees.
The terms are unconfirmed by Washington or Tehran.
So, yeah, it would take about 15 seconds for the Trump administration to publish the MOU that we agreed to, the "deal" that is final and will be signed on Friday.
Apparently, though, as Nancy once said, "We have to pass it so you can see what's in it."
This post was edited on 6/15/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:34 am to Tigerfan1274
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But if you are the Trump Administration and you want people to stop believing Iranian propaganda about the MOU, then release the MOU.
Did you just start reading this thread? We've had folks believing, or claiming to believe, Iranian propaganda from the start. They want to believe Iranian propaganda. If the administration releases the current terms (which still aren't signed AFAIK), and some Iranian official or propaganda site says it's inaccurate, those same folks will side with the Iranian propaganda. Sorry, but the leftists have overplayed their hand for too long; everyone understands the game now.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:44 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:54 am to GOP_Tiger
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?? U.S. sanctions on Iran would be lifted. ?? Frozen Iranian funds would be partially released. ?? A ceasefire would take effect across all fronts, alongside an Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. ?? Iran’s uranium stockpile and nuclear facilities would remain inside Iran. ?? A $300 billion compensation fund would be established for Iran. ?? The U.S. embargo on Iran would be removed. ?? Iran would assume responsibility for managing the Strait of Hormuz and collecting transit fees.
So Iran gets all that and US gets Iran won’t try to get a nuke which the previous Ayatollah’s stance. What a blunder to start this war. And Iran controlling the Strait of more valuable than having a nuke if they than have this much leverage.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:05 am to hawgfaninc
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The ceasefire extension solved one problem: it bought both sides 60 days.
President Trump continues to insist that the Islamic Republic's nuclear program must be addressed. The Islamic Republic faces growing pressure from hardliners who oppose major concessions.
That is why talk of a "final peace deal" is premature.
The next 60 days will determine whether this leads to a genuine agreement, another breakdown in talks, or a new round of escalation.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:07 am to hawgfaninc
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.@JDVance explained some details of the deal to CBS.
Many people are misrepresenting it maliciously, so let's clear some things up.
NO the US will not pay Iran $300B
IF Iran gives up all its nuke stuff then a fund for investment & reconstruction w/ Gulf & other $$$ is proposed.
NO there is no agreement to unfreeze $24B now or at any point.
IF Iran honors its commitments it will get sanctions relief.
YES the US will be directly involved in verifying the nuclear material and program are destroyed.
We may not be the ones who do the destruction but we will witness it and be part of inspections to ensure it is not reconstituted.
There is no reason for all the caterwauling about reconstruction in Iran. Any deal was going to involve that and any money going in will be monitores. Of course the regime will steal some and we will be watching to ensure it doesn't get used for malign purposes.
It's sad to watch so many people actively hoping this deal won't work and lying about what it comprises.
As described this deal is a major victory for the US, the region and the world. If they follow through it could also be a return of Iran to the community of nations.
If the regime doesn't abide by the deal they have made. Their days are certainly numbered.
But this offers a real chance to secure the region and aim it toward prosperity.
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