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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:39 am to WeeWee
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:39 am to WeeWee
quote:There is a strangeness about all of this that is difficult to pinpoint. It went from balls-to-the-wall aggression to almost exaggerated restraint, even amongst kinetic provocations. The President’s messages are ambiguous, evasive and somewhat cryptic.
Oh the Orange man knew that was the case. However, he wants a Nobel Peace Prize. Trump also wants to show the world that he is the greatest dealmaker in history. I have to admit that if he got the IRGC to agree to a deal that either removes themselves from power or basically neuters themselves then he probably would deserve that title.
There are occasional reports (from ‘insider sources’ close to negotiators or such) about terms that seem too outlandish one way or another for either side to agree. The leaks about friction between the President and Israel paired with Israel’s relative restraint adds another weird layer.
What cards are on the table and how in the world has Iran managed to bring a war to a snail’s pace with reportedly a depleted or destroyed military? Could some outsider have snuck an ace in somehow? Hell, the actual mediators have a small deck themselves.
Just thinking out loud.
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Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:51 am to Pragmatist2025
I think we got into a hubristic situation and Trump can’t wiggle out of this one as he has his whole private and public career.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:54 am to WeeWee
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However, he wants a Nobel Peace Prize.
This was never going to happen, and it has little to do with any kind of hate or conspiracy. The centerpiece to his "peace" accomplishments is the Israel/Hamas deal in Gaza. The "20 point plan" and the resultant alleged "peace" has never gotten off the ground.
Hamas hasn't disarmed, despite agreeing to it in the deal. Israel hasn't left Gaza, despite agreeing to it in the deal. The member countries of the "Board of Peace" have contributed practically no funding, despite agreeing to it when they accepted the invite. The International Stabilization Force hasn't even been able to really get into Gaza, despite being the organization that is supposed to be responsible for sorting out the mess, per the "20 point Plan". Of course, that could have a lot to do with member countries being wholly noncommittal when it comes to forces, funding, or organization......as they agreed to per the outline of the deal.
Meanwhile, Hamas is still putting up a fight and the Jews haven't stopped whacking them. We have resorted to petitioning the UN Security Council for it to start pressuring Hamas to disarm, despite the fact that the UN has been supportive of Hamas over the past couple of decades and it still refuses to label it a terrorist organization.
This post was edited on 6/10/26 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:56 am to LegendInMyMind
Trump said moments ago in the Oval Office that "We're going to hit Iran very hard today."
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:58 am to ColoradoAg
Correct...and have been
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:58 am to justaniceguy
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Israel wants to control Lebanon.
Maybe they "want" that but what has Israel done to make you think that. It appears to me that Israel is working with Lebanon to rid them of Hizballah, not take it over.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 10:58 am to TakingStock
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"We're going to hit Iran very hard today."
Let's see. He said a day or so ago that we are very close to a deal.
Donald talks too much.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:02 am to Penrod
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No sir. Lebanese citizens. I’m well travelled and 1/4 Lebanese.
In your opinion, are Lebanese citizens who are Christian more pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian, keeping in mind that many Palestinians are Christian?
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:08 am to justaniceguy
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Israel wants to create a new Gaza in southern Lebanon that will be a buffer zone so they can keep hezbollah from attacking. This sounds simple enough until you factor in the hundreds of thousands of people who will be displaced due to this. Christians will be displaced, and these people absolutely refuse to leave their ancestral homelands. It will get bad. All of the Christian leaders of Lebanon are completely against this idea. So I’m not sure who you were talking to.
Seems like this has been the case, on and off, for most of my adult life (I was born in 1960).
I remember multiple times when Israel was bombing Beirut and moving troops into southern Lebanon, ostensibly in support of the Druze.
And that was long before Hezbollah came into being.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:08 am to TakingStock
I'll believe it when it happens
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:11 am to WeeWee
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he wants a Nobel Peace Prize. Trump also wants to show the world that he is the greatest dealmaker in history. I have to admit that if he got the IRGC to agree to a deal that either removes themselves from power or basically neuters themselves then he probably would deserve that title.
For sure. But cannot envision the IRGC voluntarily relinquishing power.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:16 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:21 am to TakingStock
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Trump said moments ago in the Oval Office that "We're going to hit Iran very hard today."
It’s just another TACO.
Bibi must be embarrassed he’s gotta listen to this guy.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:24 am to Tigerstark
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I think they want a neighbor who doesn’t launch rockets and attacks at them. To this point Lebanon has not been able to secure their own territory.
Israel may feel its needs to control it for their own safety. Especially if they are doing most of the work of liberating it.
Syria is a good model for this.
Since Ahmed al-Sharaa took power in Syria, there has been a defacto peace between Syria and Israel, and no one is attacking Israel from Syrian territory. al-Sharaa detests Iran and Hezbollah.
That is not to say that everything is hunky dory. Israel still occupies parts of Syria, and al-Sharaa wants them out. But he is more interested in rebuilding his country. He has asked Trump for help with negotiating Israel's withdrawal.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:24 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:24 am to Pragmatist2025
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It went from balls-to-the-wall aggression to almost exaggerated restraint, even amongst kinetic provocations. The President’s messages are ambiguous, evasive and somewhat cryptic.
It looks to me like we reached the limits of airpower alone in attacking the Islamic Republic. The IRGC's bases were destroyed along with their navy and air force, but they are still organized, armed, roam the streets and hide in places we are reluctant to strike.
Since we don't want to mount a full scale invasion, the alternative is to find or create allies on the ground among the uprising and/or the regular army. At that stage, we can provide air support as needed.
If Obama and Hillary could oust Ghaddafi, by providing air support to his opposition, so can Trump.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:29 am to LegendInMyMind
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Let's see. He said a day or so ago that we are very close to a deal.
Donald talks too much.
If we "hit them hard" today, that would be within his "2 - 3 day" window for a peace agreement.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:36 am to BayouBengal51
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President Trump:
“We have been taking out millions of barrels of oil. Nobody knows it. You know who doesn't know about it? Iran, until right now.
We took 22 ships the other night, late at night, with no lights because they have no radar.”
So is he saying here that we've been pulling tankers up to one of their ports and filling them with oil without their knowledge?
Kudos if true.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:37 am to Auburn1968
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If Obama and Hillary could oust Ghaddafi, by providing air support to his opposition, so can Trump.
Perhaps the Iranian people don't want to end up like Libya or Syria.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 11:45 am to BayouBengal51
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