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re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:46 pm to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:46 pm to
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There are more Democrats than Republicans in the country at present - thanks, Trump!



No.

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Oversampling doesn't usually get you into the 80s, btw. That's just you guys being on the wrong side of public opinion on this.


Now we're getting in to wording of the poll and sampling methodology. Both are horseshite to say the least.

And I know far, far more about this subject than you
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:47 pm to
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The Assault weapons ban was passed by politicians who know nothing about firearms. It was aptly named to invoke fear.

The ATF did not pass this bill. They were simply responsible for enforcing the law as written.


Which means at one point the ATF classified AR-15s as assault weapons, directly contradicting your earlier statement that they had never done so.

Whoooooops.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45856 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:48 pm to
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Some did. And some detailed why an AR-15 was superior to a Mini-14.


What are the differences? I mean obviously if you linked all these articles and read them, so you should easily be able to answer this.

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I gave you my answer in the form of half a dozen links. You're welcome.



Links to articles is not you answering question.

I mean I would expect Ms. Scientist to understand you can't submit an academic paper that's nothing but quotes from other people...

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:48 pm to
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You want me to validate YOUR claim?


Of course not, that's already done.

What I'd like you to do is explain why your claim that it's not over the expected is valid - mainly by illustrating what you believe should be used as the "expected" value.

Because when we use what I've said should be the expected value, clearly we're in an epidemic. For you to reject that, you must have another expected - so go on, share it. It's okay.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:49 pm to
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I mean, whatever you want to call it, the guy in Vegas modified his gun to simulate automatic fire and killed 58 people and wounded almost 500 more.


Imagine if he had used something more effective...

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shibboleths


Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:50 pm to
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No.


Yes.

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Now we're getting in to wording of the poll and sampling methodology. Both are horseshite to say the least.



You're not a pollster, so your opinion on their methodology and wording is invalid. And it's not just one polling outfit decimating your claims - are you saying every single one is using the exact same biases and question wordings?
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
10290 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:50 pm to
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Which means at one point the ATF classified AR-15s as assault weapons, directly contradicting your earlier statement that they had never done so.




The ATF did not change their definition in response to this bill. They simply enforced the law that was passed. Namely that any rifle containing 2 or more of the "bad" features was banned from sale.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:50 pm to
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Which means at one point the ATF classified AR-15s as assault weapons, directly contradicting your earlier statement that they had never done so.

Whoooooops.




That isn't what that means...
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:50 pm to
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What are the differences?


They're pretty clearly laid out in every link provided. Spend a moment, read them.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45856 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:51 pm to
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They're pretty clearly laid out in every link provided. Spend a moment, read them.




Links to articles is not you answering question.

I mean I would expect Ms. Scientist to understand you can't submit an academic paper that's nothing but quotes from other people...

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46352 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:52 pm to
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Which means at one point the ATF classified AR-15s as assault weapons, directly contradicting your earlier statement that they had never done so.


That is incorrect, the author of the bill define it not the ATF.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:52 pm to
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Imagine if he had used something more effective...


Imagine if he didn't have access to something at the level of effectiveness that he did...

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shibboleths


Means exactly how I'm using it.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:53 pm to
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level of effectiveness


You don't even know what this means.

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Means exactly how I'm using it.


No it doesn't.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:53 pm to
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The ATF did not change their definition in response to this bill. They simply enforced the law that was passed. Namely that any rifle containing 2 or more of the "bad" features was banned from sale.


Would one of the rifles banned from sale have the nickname "AR-15"?

And would such ban be enforced by an agency such as the ATF, which then had certain 'classifications' of guns that fit the ban and certain 'classifications' of guns which did not?

Yeah, exactly.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:54 pm to
It's also a good time to bring vehicle registrations up again.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:54 pm to
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Links to articles is not you answering question.


It sure is, when said article contains the answers.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:54 pm to
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Answered with half a dozen links earlier in the thread.


YOU didn't answer anything.

You provided 5 links. Two said the mini 14 is better than the AR-15, two claimed that an AR-15 is better than a mini 14, and one was a video that was already in one of the other links.

So let me get this straight. Your grand rebuttal to ban AR-15's but leave Mini 14's alone is to link 2 articles that claim an AR-15 is better and two that claim the mini 14 is better?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45856 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:54 pm to
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It sure is, when said article contains the answers.


I mean I would expect Ms. Scientist to understand you can't submit an academic paper that's nothing but quotes from other people...
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:55 pm to
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features
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'classifications'


What are you confused about?

I'm here to help, sport.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47494 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:55 pm to
I know, I know!!!!
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