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NYT states the obvious: the whistleblower complaint itself is not applicable

Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69312 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:53 pm
quote:

"An intelligence officer cannot file a whistle-blower complaint against the president, because the president is not a member of the intelligence community; nor does a presidential phone call with a foreign leader qualify as an intelligence operation."


NYT article on why this particular whistleblower complaint could start harmful precedent for future presidents
Posted by airlinehwypanhandler
Airline Highway
Member since Feb 2019
2130 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:54 pm to
Spying is perfectly OK these days according to democrats
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
12026 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:54 pm to
Wow, a degree of sanity at NYT?!?! Shocking!
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118853 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:54 pm to


Dems are so deflated.

Again.

Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16306 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:54 pm to
I'd love to believe this, but I'm going to need a credible news source.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99093 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:55 pm to
Angry mobs will be marching on the NYT.
Posted by Langland
Trumplandia
Member since Apr 2014
15382 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:56 pm to
Let's see Biden's and Obama's conversations with foreign leaders.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30729 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:56 pm to
But one of our posters keeps posting the whistleblower rules/laws?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29822 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:57 pm to
This is going to backfire in spectacular fashion!
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45783 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:57 pm to
I don't give a shite! I want the goddamned whistleblower dragged before Congress and made to answer Jim Jordan. I want every Rep. Representative on that committee to pass their time to Jim Jordan, your next Speaker of The House!
Posted by Hou_Lawyer
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2019
1879 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:58 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 9:54 am
Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
6963 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:59 pm to
Who filed the complaint? The intelligence officer or the IG? I understood the events to mean an intelligence officer went to the IG, who filed the complaint?

And isn’t the President the Intelligence in Chief?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69312 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:06 pm to
None of that is relevant

By law, the president is not a member of the intel community and convos with foreign leaders are not intelligence operations

This does not therefore fall under the responsibility of the DNI
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57246 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

“If the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader into doing something illicit, providing dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign,” Adam Schiff, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said on Sunday, then impeachment may be the “only remedy that is coequal to the evil.”


You didn't seem to be very concerned when Joe Biden was doing this.


quote:

But Congress cannot subject the president to the supervision, control or review of a subordinate officer. As the Supreme Court made clear in a 1926 case, all executive branch officials exist to assist the president in the performance of his constitutional duties. An intelligence officer cannot file a whistle-blower complaint against the president, because the president is not a member of the intelligence community; nor does a presidential phone call with a foreign leader qualify as an intelligence operation. The intelligence community works for the president, not the other way around.


The democrats seemed to forget the part in bold during Mueller's Russia "investigation," and they seem to have forgotten it now.

quote:

Democratic presidential candidates are calling for impeachment. But they should realize that they themselves remain the framers’ primary remedy for presidential abuses of power. The Constitution trusts the American people, acting through the ballot box, to render judgment on President Trump. Democrats should trust the framers’ faith in the American people, too.



Future Democratic presidents will be immune as Congress and the media will turn a blind eye to their alleged misdeeds. This has nothing to do with national security or upholding the Constitution. This is 100% about "getting Trump."
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

By law, the president is not a member of the intel community and convos with foreign leaders are not intelligence operations

This does not therefore fall under the responsibility of the DNI


Right.

By law, All the intelligence of the United States of America belongs to the President and the President only and is compiled for him only to help him determine how best to conduct American foreign policy. POTUS is the ultimate authority for classification and declassification.

Members of Congress and Senators may have access to intelligence but they don't get the whole shebang and really can't do anything with it.
Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
6963 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

None of that is relevant


Sounds good to me.

You know what the shame is though right? After Obama ramming ObamaCare down our throats, Bush and the Patriot Act, and now the brave new world of precedents being set by Trump...if nothing happens, and it’s the new norm to just stop asking questions because all of these Politicians, even Nixon really, are immune to the Law, it’s what will happen next.

The next time a Dem controls the WH, and any branch of govt, new precedents will be set. Old ones will be used and most certainly abused, and this guy will be worse than the last guy.

In our lifetime, we will see a collapse of every institution, pillar, etc and there won’t be any turning back.
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

now the brave new world of precedents being set by Trump


Stfu
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