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re: NYT: Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. ‘Crazy Stuff.’
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:08 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:08 pm to NC_Tigah
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horribly inappropriate early call in AZ,
I do not understand the anger over this. They were right in the call. What is the big deal?
Trump got trounced in the popular vote and his only chance with a complicated combination of electrical votes from 4 states---
1) he pissed off the McCain machine in Arizona and for the first time since Goldwater was first elected 90,000 Navajos voted democrat (they are block voters the republicans could generally rely on)
2) he pissed off Paul Ryan---a successful Wisconsin politician that could have no doubt helped Trump in Wisconsin
3) he pissed off republicans in Pennsylvania and promised opposition in the midterms thus Oz---no doubt he could have used their help
4) he pissed off Kemp in Georgia and not even his former Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Purdue would help him there.
Trump lost the election and it was 100% of his own doing.
He manufactured this entire "election was stolen" crap to satisfy his ego and to keep his cult enraged. I can remember posters here saying Dominion was compromised by the Chinese. It was all crap.
Shame on Fox News for helping stir the crap while knowing it was precisely that---crap.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:13 pm to Vacherie Saint
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s that would not actually make our elections any safer,” McConnell said. “I’m not going to do that.”
My miss, but you don't think that:
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The House-passed bill would authorize more than $600 million for updating voting equipment to comply with new standards between now and 2020, including requirements that voting machines produce a paper record, stay disconnected from the Internet and be produced in the United States.
Would improve election security?
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And this issue with the bill was federalization of state election issues.
Saying this now after 2+ years of wanting precisely that to occur is
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And if you are trying to sell the board on the idea that Dems wanted to institute real security reforms on the very issues they eagerly implemented then leveraged in 2020 to win the WH and both houses of congress, you are going to have to sell harder. A lot harder.
Look friendo, I know the author of the bill had a D in front of his name, but you're going to have to show how:
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including requirements that voting machines produce a paper record, stay disconnected from the Internet and be produced in the United States.
Isn't precisely what the stop the steals have been whining about. OR go on record saying this is unnecessary and the voting machines were fine in 2020.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:18 pm to I B Freeman
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Shame on Fox News for helping stir the crap while knowing it was precisely that---crap.
Also, pay attention to who is covering this story and who isn't. The Glenn Greenwalds, Matt Taibbis, claim to be interested in uncovering suppression of facts by media organizations, but aren't making a peep about this.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:21 pm to TigerDoc
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The Glenn Greenwalds, Matt Taibbis, claim to interested about uncovering suppression of truths in media, but aren't making a peep about this.
You think it's a big deal that TC (or whoever) didn't believe in 100% of the big steal?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:26 pm to David_DJS
What do you think is "the big steal"?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Regarding the "filing" are you under the impression a filing is reflective of the complete story? You think Dominion will win a substantive award in an injury suit vs Fox News? Do you think they will win 1¢ vs FNC? Certainly if the filing is the final evidence, they might. But that ain't the way it works!
You’re off topic again. Neither the OP, the article, or anyone else here is discussing the potential verdict. That’s entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is whether or not the raw texts suggest that Carlson and the other big players at Fox knew that the more ’creative’ fraud claims their network helped spread were based in reality. And from those raw texts, it’s pretty clear Carlson in particular thinks the people who spread (the kind of theories you believe in) are loons. Furthermore, you get insight into his mindset into why he doesn’t want to correct the record (Trump will ruin them, ratings, etc.). Obviously the filing has an agenda but it’s all right there for you to see if you want. There is no additional “context” that undoes those texts. It is what it is. I’m not even saying it’s a big deal or even controversial that we’re seeing that Carlson is dishonest with his base- we already knew that.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:34 pm to David_DJS
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You think it's a big deal that TC (or whoever) didn't believe in 100% of the big steal?
It's the Snopes cat lady method. Whenever there was something she didn't want to admit was true, she'd gather in any and all ancillary claims to dirty it up. Dominion software changing votes (which I don't believe happened on any sort of meaningful scale) is a separate issue from what happened in Georgia.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:34 pm to thatthang
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whether or not the raw texts suggest that Carlson and the other big players at Fox knew that the more ’creative’ fraud claims their network helped spread were based in reality. And from those raw texts, it’s pretty clear Carlson in particular thinks the people who spread (the kind of theories you believe in) are loons. Furthermore, you get insight into his mindset into why he doesn’t want to correct the record (Trump will ruin them, ratings, etc.).
The Fox execs and editors are more culpable than Tucker, IMO, who's technically responsible only for what's on his show, though clearly he was letting himself be cowed or just letting it play out.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:36 pm to I B Freeman
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I do not understand the anger over this. They were right in the call. What is the big deal?
Trump got trounced in the popular vote and his only chance with a complicated combination of electrical votes from 4 states---
1) he pissed off the McCain machine in Arizona and for the first time since Goldwater was first elected 90,000 Navajos voted democrat (they are block voters the republicans could generally rely on)
2) he pissed off Paul Ryan---a successful Wisconsin politician that could have no doubt helped Trump in Wisconsin
3) he pissed off republicans in Pennsylvania and promised opposition in the midterms thus Oz---no doubt he could have used their help
4) he pissed off Kemp in Georgia and not even his former Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Purdue would help him there.
Trump lost the election and it was 100% of his own doing.
He manufactured this entire "election was stolen" crap to satisfy his ego and to keep his cult enraged. I can remember posters here saying Dominion was compromised by the Chinese. It was all crap.
Shame on Fox News for helping stir the crap while knowing it was precisely that---crap.
Mic Drop!
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:42 pm to RedHawk
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He manufactured this entire "election was stolen" crap to satisfy his ego and to keep his cult enraged.
It's important to put this in context of Trump's history as a political candidate. This wasn't the first time he claimed fraud. He has a pattern of this from 2016 (accusing Cruz of fraud in Iowa and Dems of millions of illegal votes costing him the popular vote win). He claimed fraud in advance to hedge against losses and his strategy in advance was to declare victory early and then claim fraud where he needed to.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:44 pm to boosiebadazz
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But he’s not out here alleging fraud in every election he loses or may lose like some third world despot of some shithole country.
He’s basically turning us into one.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:45 pm to Flats
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It's the Snopes cat lady method. Whenever there was something she didn't want to admit was true, she'd gather in any and all ancillary claims to dirty it up. Dominion software changing votes (which I don't believe happened on any sort of meaningful scale) is a separate issue from what happened in Georgia.
Yep, and this is why Carlson was tepid in his handling of election fraud claims. For people that believed some frickery went on, it made it difficult to impossible to make the legit cases because of all the noise surrounding the election.
Same thing in AZ right now - Abe Hamadeh (AG candidate) has a legit argument for an inaccurate election outcome, but Kari Lake's bullshite is taking up all the oxygen so his arguments get little play.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:48 pm to cwill
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My miss, but you don't think that
sure, Jan.
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Would improve election security?
debatable and not at the expense of states rights. Do you even know what republican means?
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Saying this now after 2+ years of wanting precisely that to occur is
Who?
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friendo
<cringes>
Look, you clearly want to go back and forth about a shite bill that frankly, dems could have passed if they wanted to. But you cant run away from the fact that dems are on record opposing voter ID, signature verification, voter roll updates, disqualifying incomplete ballots, post-dated ballots, and other ineligible ballots at the state and federal levels. You cant run away from the fact that democrats support ballot curing, harvesting, and mass mail ballots. You dont get to pretend that they havent directly colluded with the socials to bury critical content and stories on the eve of elections.
Trying to paint modern democrats as the party of election integrity is fricking absurd.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:56 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Trying to paint modern democrats as the party of election integrity is fricking absurd.
And now you've met cwill.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:58 pm to Flats
but but but they tried to pass a bill once and those evil genius republicans stopped them, even though dems had full control of Congress and the WH!!!!
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:06 pm to thatthang
quote:What theories are you referring to. Obviously there are past posts which you find objectionable. Again, link them, or cite them, and I'll happily discuss them.
it’s pretty clear Carlson in particular thinks the people who spread (the kind of theories you believe in) are loons.
As for Carlson, I have no idea what his current positions or interests are. I couldn't care less. After the BS FNC election and aftermath coverage, I've not watched a second of FNC since.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:13 pm to I B Freeman
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1) he pissed off the McCain machine in Arizona
2) he pissed off Paul Ryan
3) he pissed off republicans in Pennsylvania
4) he pissed off Kemp in Georgia
5) he pissed off I B Freeman ...
... which is why I B Freeman would project all that other crap onto a candidate who garnered more votes than any Republican in American history.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:17 pm to Vacherie Saint
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debatable and not at the expense of states rights. Do you even know what republican means?
I think you discover this when it's convenient.
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Look, you clearly want to go back and forth about a shite bill that frankly, dems could have passed if they wanted to.
How?
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But you cant run away from the fact that dems are on record opposing voter ID, signature verification, voter roll updates, disqualifying incomplete ballots, post-dated ballots, and other ineligible ballots at the state and federal levels. You cant run away from the fact that democrats support ballot curing, harvesting, and mass mail ballots. You dont get to pretend that they havent directly colluded with the socials to bury critical content and stories on the eve of elections.
I've not raised any of those issues. You claimed they made voting less secure in a thread about election fraud claims that center on Dominion voting systems. I thought it was notable to highlight that the democrats had in fact tried to address a number of the stop the steal hot buttons prior to 2020 and Republicans voted them down. If you want to scream hypocrisy, sure, for all of them, but a national law requiring paper ballots, disconnection from the webs and paper ballot backups is now a threat to states rights? GTFO.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:18 pm to Vacherie Saint
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but but but they tried to pass a bill once and those evil genius republicans stopped them, even though dems had full control of Congress and the WH!!!!
In 2019?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 2:02 pm to thejuiceisloose
I know that this is a crazy thought, but I find it interesting that after I ( we ) vote, on an electronic machine, that I never can get a receipt of any kind showing that I voted and that my vote went to the person I voted for. Just a stupid sticker saying I voted. But yet I can buy shite on the internet, send an email, pay bills, digitally deposit my pay check and get an electronic receipt or a conformation email on any of this and print it to a PDF or paper receipt.
There's a reason why we can't see if our vote counted for the person we voted for electronically.
There's a reason why we can't see if our vote counted for the person we voted for electronically.
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