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re: Note to self: Don't mess with Bill Ackman

Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:27 am to
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:27 am to
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This, and as more academics get audited and fail the audits (which they will if they are over a certain age, at least), the goal posts will move farther and farther


No so sure about that.

Older academics were/are very doctrinnaire about proper citation and plagiarism. If anything, the victims of this movement will mainly be younger "academics" in fridge fields.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 9:36 am
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
14609 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:30 am to
Nailed it earlier in your well written response. It's laziness plain and simple...the bane of most Americans.
I see it in my field as well...irritating as hell. Fortunately, I am close to retirement.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9760 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:32 am to
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Just so I'm understanding here

As a progressive, you’re too stupid to understand anything.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
14609 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:33 am to
He will own BI if he chooses to.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44996 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:35 am to
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quote:

That’s Bill Ackman.


I don’t know who Bill Ackerman is.

Ha.
Touché.
I overlooked his misspelling.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130895 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:38 am to
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I think it more has to do with citing Wikipedia which really isn’t even “citeable”
Actually wikipedia is not prominent in the article.

Oxman consistently paragraphically separated then parenthetically cited her sources. The d/t the separation, the represented citations are crystal clear.

BI idiots are calling out the fact Oxman did not additionally place the cites in quotes, and drawing equivalence with Gay, whose pieces included no citations at all.

Here's the article,
Bill Ackman's celebrity academic wife Neri Oxman's dissertation is marred by plagiarism
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:22 am to
what happened to Ackman? seems like he was shilling for every Leftist policy a few months back.

now he is using his money to go after Leftists in IVY league schools.

Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:01 am to
Good for him

BTW...
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My wife, @NeriOxman, was just contacted by Business Insider claiming that they have identified other plagiarism in her work including 15 examples in her dissertation where she did not cite Wikipedia as a source.


I told y'all this would happen


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That's why I am not a fan of using plagiarism as the cover for dismissing her. That will only give leftists in the academy another tool for going after the few remaining conservatives. Watch over the next year if you don't see similar retaliatory charges against academics who don't tow the party line (including liberals who aren't "progressive" enough).

She should have been fired for being a hypocrite. She only seemed to be in support of free speech when it was against Jews.


I said the academy, but I should have known the media would get their first.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
32832 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:28 am to
You do realize that it was Aikman going on CNBC advocating shutting the country down in 2020?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60596 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:51 am to
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I know most people don't like Dave Portnoy, but he's had issues with Business Insider for years.
Hes tagged in about every 3rd response on that thread.

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Portnoy was one of the ones screaming for MIT to do something about Gay and after it happened,
That probably didn’t do much good since she was the president of Harvard. :just poking fun at ya:
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 11:52 am
Posted by mule74
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Member since Nov 2004
11789 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Pissing off billionaires is generally unwise


The owner of my old company was a hundred millionaire. He got into a pissing match with another company that was owned by a billionaire.


As our COO told him, “don’t frick with that guy. He has a real bullets.“
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6911 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:45 pm to
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My wife, @NeriOxman
She’s hot…
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
15662 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:19 pm to
I've been saying it for at least two or three years. Business Insider is CNN if CNN was trying to camoflage themselves as a business magazine instead of a cable news network. They are one hundred percent partisan and one hundred percent left wing political establishment larping as business reporters. No one should take anything they print or post as serious journalism or reporting. They are Media Matters trying to pass themselves off as a business channel.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
4747 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:45 pm to
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Just so I'm understanding here,

You definitely do not
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Bill Ackerman is mad

he is not
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that BI is claiming that his wife committed plagiarism. The exact same thing that he claimed Harvard's president did.]

He didn't claim it, he proved it repeatedly. Also his original beef was not just the plagiarism but the grossly racist comments she made in public on the record with plenty of time to recant or apologize.

quote:

And he's mad that they didn't give him and his wife time to respond before publishing? Did he give the Harvard prez time to respond before going forward with his claims?


Yes, she was given ample opportunity to both recant and apologize for her excessive racism and genocidal comments and her plagiarism which has been in question for months now, not hours.

So other than getting absolutely every last detail wrong, you understand it.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
4747 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:52 pm to
Portnoy is hilarious. BI has taken a couple swipes at him and lost. It is a delusional bunch.

Of course it's also worth considering the man behind BI, who is a noted crook and fraud:

quote:

In 2003, [Henry] Blodget was charged with civil securities fraud by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.[8] ... He was permanently barred from the securities industry and censured by the SEC, NASD, and NYSE.[9]

The charges arose from...issuing materially misleading research reports on internet companies, and making exaggerated or unwarranted claims about them to customers.

Blodget rose to prominence again as co-founder, CEO, and editor-in-chief of Business Insider


In other words, "news" is his second act after the feds ran him off Wall Street.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76520 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:04 pm to
Jesus.

He's going thermonuclear.


Bill Ackman X.com announcement

quote:

Last night, no one at
@MIT
had a good night’s sleep.

Yesterday evening, shortly after I posted that we were launching a plagiarism review of all current MIT faculty, President Kornbluth, members of MIT’s administration, and its board, I am sure that an audible collective gasp could be heard around the campus.

Why? Well, every faculty member knows that once their work is targeted by AI, they will be outed. No body of written work in academia can survive the power of AI searching for missing quotation marks, failures to paraphrase appropriately, and/or the failure to properly credit the work of others.

But it wasn’t just the MIT faculty that did not sleep last night. The
@Harvard
faculty, its governing board members, and its administrative leadership did not sleep either. Because why would we stop at MIT?

Don’t we have to do a deep dive into academic integrity at Harvard as well?

What about Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Dartmouth? You get the point.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2294 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:16 pm to
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No body of written work in academia can survive the power of AI searching for missing quotation marks, failures to paraphrase appropriately, and/or the failure to properly credit the work of others.


This is probably true. The issue is once the "best and brightest" (the Ivy League schools) PhDs are outed, they'll pretty much HAVE to remove the stigma of plagiarism. After all, it will basically show that if THEY can't manage to avoid it, then by God, it's unavoidable.

That will be their argument anyway. There's no way it plays out accurately - that the vast majority of them are not any smarter than lots of other people and they mostly just sit around smelling their own (and each other's) farts.

Edit: Love the sig. Albert Camus was a brilliant philosopher/playwright. "Should I kill myself or have a cup of coffee?"
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 8:21 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130895 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:39 am to
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He's going thermonuclear.


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In my 36-year career, I have never had the experience of a journalist and their employer attacking the life partner of a subject of any story, even a big one. Even Herbalife and the journalists that covered that escapade chose to stay away from attacking my family. Perhaps I am just lucky or perhaps Business Insider is a disgusting and unethical journalistic operation.

I had forgotten Axel Springer had acquired Business Insider. Axel Springer is now controlled by KKR. I am therefore incredibly shocked by the conduct of a company controlled by KKR, a firm that I have had enormous respect for over the years. I hope they have no idea what is going on in their Business Insider subsidiary, but I am going to look into it. My best guess is that the incentives for management of BI are designed poorly, or as I have been told, the Editor of Business Insider’s Investigative Division has an agenda that he is pursuing against my wife or something else is going on.
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Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
76520 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:47 am to
And he gave big time kudos to Elon.


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Lastly, if X was not independently controlled and governed by a free speech absolutist, Neri and I would not have had the ability to respond in a rapid fashion in a public forum where free speech is allowed, encouraged, and respected. I would also not have had the ability to reach millions of people with what I believe are important messages.

And I would not have been able to be nearly as effective in my campaign to help save the higher education system in our country, and I represent just one of hundreds of millions of grateful users.

So thank you @elonmusk !!! and thank you @lindayaX for holding strong.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
13780 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:01 am to
I wouldn't be surprised if Elon volunteers to assist with Ackman's pet research project.
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