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re: Northern Ireland Pastor convicted of buffer zone law because he preached the gospel
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:16 am to sgallo3
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:16 am to sgallo3
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The guy didnt have plausible deniability that it wasnt intended to be about abortion due to his own past actions specifically.
"He is someone who in the past has been publicly associated with anti-abortion views," the judge said.
You don't need "plausible" deniability when your words have nothing to do with some prior statements he's made. Of course he's against abortion, as well he should be. That doesn't mean that the whole country gets to tell him that he can't speak at all, without being presumed to be protesting, when he is, in fact, not protesting. You know good and well that's not how the law works, especially in any place that claims to be a civilized country.
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Also the way the law is worded it doesn't matter if it was pro abortion speech or religious speech, any speech intended to influence a patient or physician is banned.
Influence them how? The law is worded to be twisted in whatever arbitrary way a judge decides to interpret it. I could go to that hospital and sing a Christian worship song, simply out of the joy of my heart, as I'm going in to be treated for whatever issue, and they could throw me out for "influencing" them with my Christian song?
Don't say no, because then you'll have to explain how this slippery slope of a law somehow has limits when it has already demonstrated that it can be interpreted in any way a judge feels it should be.
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Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:16 am to Mike da Tigah
There’s an Irish teacher rotting in prison right now because he wouldn’t use preferred pronouns
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:17 am to sgallo3
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The guy didnt have plausible deniability that it wasnt intended to be about abortion due to his own past actions specifically.
"He is someone who in the past has been publicly associated with anti-abortion views," the judge said.
Also the way the law is worded it doesn't matter if it was pro abortion speech or religious speech, any speech intended to influence a patient or physician is banned.
We are so screwed if adult men think like this
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:24 am to Pettifogger
Its funny because this law never existed until people started threatening violence against doctors in Ireland for abortion related stuff.
But now that theres a law against this the law is the problem.
But now that theres a law against this the law is the problem.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:46 am to sgallo3
quote:So guilty until proven innocent? Again, this is essentially a thought crime when he wasn't protesting or attempting to influence anyone for or against abortion with his words, because his words were not related to abortion.
The guy didnt have plausible deniability that it wasnt intended to be about abortion due to his own past actions specifically.
quote:Again, this is judging intent based on prior views. This speaks more to him being condemned for being a Christian, since his Christian views include anti-abortion views. He was found guilty of preaching a Christian message, not an anti-abortion message. He could have said the same things outside of Parliament, a Mosque, or a Restaurant.
"He is someone who in the past has been publicly associated with anti-abortion views," the judge said.
quote:Influence how? What does that even mean? If you started shouting that rocky road ice cream was the best ice cream, does that count for "influence", or does it have to be about abortion? And if it has to be about abortion, what does that mean? If you start talking about how precious your own children are (not talking about abortion), does that count as influence?
Also the way the law is worded it doesn't matter if it was pro abortion speech or religious speech, any speech intended to influence a patient or physician is banned.
The point is that the law is so vague that a Christian can be found guilty of breaking it even though he was not saying anything about abortion.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:46 am to sgallo3
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Its funny because this law never existed until people started threatening violence against doctors in Ireland for abortion related stuff.
Yes I'm sure it was just endless, very serious threats of violence and not at all the concept of challenging the new civil religion
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But now that theres a law against this the law is the problem.
Correct. Any human being with a spine thinks it's absurd to outlaw silent prayer or apolitical religious services just because they're in proximity to a place where people go to terminate human life.
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