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re: No one wants to raise families anymore

Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:18 am to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:18 am to
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Yet you seem to forget all that when considering that millennials are trying to enter the housing market at the same age as previous generations but having more economic obstacles

It’s easy to forget something that’s not real.

Millennials are not confronted by more economic obstacles than other generations.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36394 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:26 am to
So there was a group of billionaires whose goal was to eliminate any form of ownership in the western world in the 70s?

There was a company in the 70s buying large amounts of housing all over the country and competing with individual buyers with offers well above asking in cash?

Link me to that please.
Posted by LSUBadger
Member since Jan 2014
2238 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:29 am to
If you work at Motiva or Exxon you can afford that house. Ascension Parish is filled with those families

Those families in the 70’s also kept a garden. Rarely ate out. Didn’t have a maid or lawn service. Sent kids to public schools. Didn’t take many vacations. Oftentimes only had one car. The teenage kids were expected to have a job. No travel ball. Saved money for a rainy day. Kept cars for 7-8 years or more. Houses were 1,500 sq feet usually with one bathroom.

So a lot more frugal than people today
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9527 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:43 am to
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I have 4 kids (yes, I know what caused it).


Never, ever apologize for having kids. There are people that start lecturing you if you have more than two ( “It’s a vagina, not a clown car, honey” ). These people can go frick themselves.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:45 am to
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So there was a group of billionaires whose goal was to eliminate any form of ownership in the western world in the 70s? There was a company in the 70s buying large amounts of housing all over the country and competing with individual buyers with offers well above asking in cash?

Do you think obstacles can only be obstacles if they’re confronting you? Do you think housing prices have never spiked before?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79933 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:46 am to
The Amish and Hutterites still do.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 11:51 am to
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but having more economic obstacles

The only economic obstacle millenials are facing is their unwillingness to work for anything. They're living at home with their parents. Don't have to pay for insurance. Had the lowest interest rates ever for 15 years. They just went through the biggest giveaway in the history of the world. Government benefits are out of control.

I don't whine about the system. I attempt to correct it. You don't correct it by going along and agreeing with the enemy. You put in the wffort to raise a new generation and raise them to be responsible instead of taking everything.
Posted by CoyoteSong
Colorado
Member since Aug 2021
2603 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 12:03 pm to
It is part of liberal indoctrination. I know several hardcore childless liberals who say “good for you” when they hear couples are waiting in life to have kids. And they will tell them not to have kids but instead raise a pet. But then I see these same liberals sit silent at the break room table when everybody is talking about kids and grandkids. They look really sad. I had one childless friend’s mouth drop when he heard I travel more than him and his wife. And I have more free time for my hobbies with my two kids b/c they do my hobbies with me. People who say they are happy without kids are just guessing on how they think they would feel. Having a child is a life changing experience and can not be duplicated in any fashion.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47669 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 12:34 pm to
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It seems like the majority of people in their 20's and 30's have given up on the traditional American family lifestyle in exchange for travel, pets, and material. It feels like if this trend continues we won't have much of a civilization left in a generation or two.


The anti-man alimony and child support courts are a huge reason for this.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26910 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

People have abandoned God. It's not really news though


Beware of the snake oil salesman saying what he has cured everything.

Muslims don't believe in your god and are breeding just fine. Like always, the issue is deeper than take two Gods before bed and call me in the morning.
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33358 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:07 pm to
I have seen the same. Its very sad. A generation of hedonists
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
6102 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:33 pm to
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I could sit at home and do nothing and not have any debt


I don't sit at home and do nothing. I own a good chunk of property, we hunt on this property, garden on this property, raise livestock, etc. I live 1.5 hours from Corpus Christi and we go to the beach all the time and have a blast.

What we don't do is buy a new vehicle every 6-7 years and keep a constant vehicle loan. We also don't take a vacation every year that costs several thousand dollars. We don't eat out, would rather cook anyways. But like I said its up to the individual. I would rather be debt free and have cash on hand because I don't know what tomorrow brings.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465727 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:50 am to
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If everybody puts the cart before the horse, nobody's cart goes anywhere.

It's just too expensive and there is too much debt burdening them. Younger Gen Z is the hope, both in terms of an improved economy and a generation not saddled with college debt (after not buying into the BS about college for most of them).

There just isn't much we can do for Millennials and older Gen Z
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465727 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:56 am to
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You sure make a lot of excuses for not getting ahead in life



I'm not talking about me.

quote:

Save money for a down payment

How much do you recommend? Houses where there are jobs in non-scary areas will be like $600k, min.

quote:

Buy something you can afford even if it isn’t exactly the hip neighborhood you want to live in long term

Take out a 15 year note so you guarantee adding at least $10k a year in equity build from year one


Run me the numbers on a 15-year note on a $650k house/apartment and then tell me what the level of income will be necessary to comfortably afford that note. Then look at the median incomes in these areas. You will quickly learn that the vast majority of people cannot afford your plan.

So then what?

quote:

This is not an exclusively upper middle class plan. It is a solid life plan.

You misunderstand. The "upper-middle class" comments I made are based in other analytical models. Marriage and traditional families are a class issue these days.

Marriage is an institution for the educated and higher income-earning population cohorts.

Here is an article with some data

quote:

In 1979, the middle class and the “upper class,” here defined as the top quintile of income, had the highest proportion of currently-married individuals in this age bracket: 84 percent and 82 percent, respectively, followed by the “lower class”, the bottom income quintile, at 60 percent.

Since then, both the middle class and lower class have seen a steady decline in marriage, reaching 66 percent and 38 percent, respectively, by 2018. In contrast, marriage in the upper class has held relatively steady, dropping from 82 percent to 80 percent. The middle class, along with the affluent, used to have the highest marriage rates. Now, it is just the affluent.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465727 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:03 am to
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Millennials are not confronted by more economic obstacles than other generations.


The data (aka real world) does not agree with you.

Real assets are severely inflated and wages are stagnant. It's basic math.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465727 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:05 am to
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The question is, who enacted the policies that destroyed marriage and traditional family formation for all but the well-to-do?

Well the issues, policies, theories, etc. will vary wildly on which class you're discussing. The lower class has an entirely different set of incentives than the mid-middle and lower-middle classes.

I think what your post is implying is mostly towards the lower class cohort.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:07 am to
I decided not to have kids because of a lifelong health issue found at 21. I suppose I could. People like me should be reproducing
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:08 am to
quote:

Millennials are not confronted by more economic obstacles than other generations


That’s not even close to true
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19628 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:10 am to
You only have one life, live it. If you believe in a heaven, then you know this world is only a temporary phase. Tomorrow is promised to no one.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19628 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:12 am to
Was Isaac Newton a hedonist? Tesla? Da Vinci? There's other things to do in life than breeding.
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