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No Murder Charge for Robber Who Allegedly Shot Clerk Dead
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:17 am
California: No Murder Charge for Robber Who Allegedly Shot Clerk Dead
Twenty-year-old Ronald Jackson Jr. allegedly shot a Chevron station clerk to death in Antioch, California, Saturday but is facing no murder charges over the incident, the district attorney noting that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back was self-defense.
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Twenty-year-old Ronald Jackson Jr. allegedly shot a Chevron station clerk to death in Antioch, California, Saturday but is facing no murder charges over the incident, the district attorney noting that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back was self-defense.
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:18 am to djmed
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because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back was self-defense.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:19 am to djmed
I'm not a criminal attorney, but surely we could stretch felony murder to cover this. He initiated an armed robbery and killed someone in the course of it.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:20 am to djmed
I think BBonds is a CA attorney. Maybe he can shed some light on the relevant statutes.
Depending upon local law, I can see an argument that his fleeing the scene might mean that the crime of theft was complete and that the shots fired at him as he was fleeing become a separate attempted assault by the clerk. If so, self-defense WOULD perhaps come into play.
Barry?
Depending upon local law, I can see an argument that his fleeing the scene might mean that the crime of theft was complete and that the shots fired at him as he was fleeing become a separate attempted assault by the clerk. If so, self-defense WOULD perhaps come into play.
Barry?
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:20 am to djmed
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district attorney noting that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back was self-defense.
Seems like this is something the jury should decide, not the prosecutor.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:22 am to djmed
Let's all ignore the fact that the reason that he was being shot at is because he pulled a gun on them to rob them. What matters is that someone needs to feel safe while being a fricking thief.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:25 am to AggieHank86
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BBonds
he doesn't do criminal law. Pretty sure he does some form of corporate litigation
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:25 am to djmed
Should be felony murder
But this is a great reminder to not shoot criminals running away from you
But this is a great reminder to not shoot criminals running away from you
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:26 am to ProjectP2294
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Seems like this is something the jury should decide, not the prosecutor.
Juries are being manipulated more these days to help the criminal.
If the family members of a murder victim start weeping over the details of their child's gruesome death they can be banned from the court since their pain can persuade the jury.
In some jurisdictions they have eliminated the crime of 'rape' because it's a bad word. You are now charged with 'sexual assault' before you murdered the woman. It's a less emotional word for the jury.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:28 am to DaleGribble
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Let's all ignore the fact that the reason that he was being shot at is because he pulled a gun on them to rob them. What matters is that someone needs to feel safe while being a fricking thief.
I think the problem here is the California laws on self-defense and the CA castle doctrine don't really apply to this unique set of facts. The guy was no longer in the store and was running away outside the store, so there was no longer a threat. I would have let a jury regardless. The statement the DA made is basically an argument dude's defense attorney would be making. It's not a bad argument, but it's also not an iron clad argument that would necessitate dismissing murder charges as a matter of law. I still think there is an argument for felony murder, where self-defense for the robber wouldn't be an applicable affirmative defense.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Is it?
Should be felony murder
IF the original felony is defined as being complete, he would not have still been engaged in a felony when he fired the shots.
Again, does anyone know California law on the “conclusion” of the original felony?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:30 am to djmed
Legalities aside...
If you don't want a life full of bullshite, ending in a bullshite death, don't live in CA.
If you don't want a life full of bullshite, ending in a bullshite death, don't live in CA.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:32 am to AggieHank86
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IF the original felony is defined as being complete, he would not have still been engaged in a felony when he fired the shots.
Are you seriously arguing this?
If he has a weapon, he still poses a grave threat to the people he was robbing. He could just as easily turned back around and ended them all. This is fully justifiable. You're reaching or trolling.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:32 am to lsufball19
quote:”As a matter of law,” agreed. But prosecutors are daily asked to make the decision as to whether the likelihood of a conviction justifies the expenditure of resources in a prosecution.
It's not a bad argument, but it's also not an iron clad argument that would necessitate dismissing murder charges as a matter of law.
if the murder charge looks like a probable loser, should a DA expend those resources?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:33 am to Oates Mustache
quote:I am not “arguing“ that this is the law, no.
Are you seriously arguing this?
I am saying that that is one possible scenario, and asking whether it is in fact the law in California. given what I know about California law in general, it is not an unreasonable interpretation of what their law may be.
You want to argue what the law SHOULD be. I am seeking to determine what it actually IS.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:38 am to Oates Mustache
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Are you seriously arguing this?
You must have missed the 20 plus pages of this idiot calling Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer....
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:39 am to djmed
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that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back was self-defense.
Sorry, but the majority of Lawyers and Judges in this country are fking pond-scum, period.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:40 am to AggieHank86
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But prosecutors are daily asked to make the decision as to whether the likelihood of a conviction justifies the expenditure of resources in a prosecution.
I'm aware, but that's what the DA said when announcing why their office wasn't prosecuting the murder.
"In the eyes of the law, Mr. Williams’ actions ceased to be self-defense when Mr. Williams pursued Mr. Jackson and the other suspect with a firearm — and continued to pursue Mr. Jackson after he shot him.”
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if the murder charge looks like a probable loser, should a DA expend those resources?
In this situation, yes. A victim of an armed robbery is dead, and the person who committed the armed robbery is who killed the victim. The guy I would assume will still face charges for armed robbery. The State will still need to expend resources to prosecute that case. Sometimes DAs have to prosecute cases knowing a conviction isn't a guarantee. That's why we have jury trials. A better question is does the state think justice was served here under the law or were they more worried about their conviction rate?
There's far too many DAs who are too scared to try a case and lose. That's a part of the job. If they're scared to lose, then find another line of work.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:40 am to djmed
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Saturday but is facing no murder charges over the incident, the district attorney noting that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back was self-defense.
Someone again remind us decent folk why we should have some sort of moral opposition to vigilantism?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:41 am to Oates Mustache
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Are you seriously arguing this?
He argues a whole lot more disturbing things as well... Hanky has a depraved mind...
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