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re: No longer the clot shot, it’s now the death shot
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:39 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:39 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Thanks for so aggressively proving my earlier point about reading and interpreting studies.
For clarity, did the internal data (you know, that was supposed to remain undisclosed for 75 years) support the claims initially made by Pfizer to the public concerning efficacy?
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Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:54 pm to jimmy the leg
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For clarity, did the internal data (you know, that was supposed to remain undisclosed for 75 years) support the claims initially made by Pfizer to the public concerning efficacy?
Yes, but only if you're able to accurately interpret them.
Which, of course, that vast majority of this board is not.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:59 pm to shel311
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They don't want to talk about that. And let's not pretend his base wasn't lauding how he was the only person who could cut through the BS red tape to get us a vaccine in less than 1 year. His base was giving him all the credit for that, and most of the same folks who post here was posting that same shite. They didn't start complaining in mass about the side effects and rushed vaccine until after the fact with zero self awareness that they were praising the same exact thing before.
Since you really don’t understand, access to the vaccine isn’t the real problem.
Mandates of said vaccine are the problem.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:07 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I mean, knowing what we know now…maybe some of the red tape as far as drug/vaccine R&D isn’t all totally without purpose?
Of course it has a purpose. Everyone you argue with reminds you if that.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:12 pm to BamaAtl
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Yes, but only if you're able to accurately interpret them.
Which, of course, that vast majority of this board is not.
You can follow Fauci, Birx, Collins & Redfield.. we'll gladly accept the words of Montagnier, Atlas, Malone & Vanden Bossche.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:12 pm to AlwysATgr
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The narrative at the time was 2 million Americans would die from Covid. Trump couldn't conscience that. And the only response was to shut everything down until a vaccine was developed. It's probably fair to assume his understanding of a "vaccine" once developed would truly be one that was safe and effective.
I don't see how anyone can blame DJT with a straight face for the covid closures and forced vaccinations of millions of Americans. I blame Fauci and Birx equally 100%. It was clear DJT allowed them make the calls throughout the pandemic.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:13 pm to moneyg
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Mandates of said vaccine are the problem
Mandates, absolutely biggest problem. But also this one size fits all panacea approach was never part of Trump's Op Warp Speed. It was brought to market for co-morbidity citizens, older, etc with a disclosure to talk to your doctor and discuss if it's right for you. It wasn't until Delta wave ramped up that newly in charged Dems decided it must be given to everyone and anyone while simultaneously censoring therapeutics.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Two things can be true at once. One can understand the pressure from all sides that necessitated a rapid vaccine roll out, while also acknowledging that clearly rolling out a vaccine so quickly can (predictably) lead to less than stellar performance results.
This is such a dishonest take.
Ignoring the dishonesty of the CDC and pharma companies is ridiculous. These groups didn’t regroup and reassess as data came in. They doubled and tripled down. They didn’t scale back when the virus mutated into a less dangerous virus. They implemented mandates.
And people like you at minimum stood by and watched (at best) or contributed (at worst).
I think doctors like yourself are going to be sued before this is over.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:19 pm to Tomatocantender
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But also this one size fits all panacea approach was never part of Trump's Op Warp Speed. It was brought to market for co-morbidity citizens, older, etc with a disclosure to talk to your doctor and discuss if it's right for you. It wasn't until Delta wave ramped up that newly in charged Dems decided it must be given to everyone and anyone while simultaneously censoring therapeutics
That’s the nice thing about personal freedom and lack of governmental mandates.
There’s no such thing as a one size fit all approach.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:22 pm to mouton
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covid current form
Bless your heart
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:02 pm to Nikki_T
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I don't see how anyone can blame DJT with a straight face for the covid closures
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I blame Fauci and Birx equally 100%. It was clear DJT allowed them make the calls throughout the pandemic.
Do you need it explained to you?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:06 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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we'll gladly accept the words of grifters
I know, because you're gullible as frick.
Some idiot telling you the sun rises in the South doesn't suddenly mean it will, even if you're stupid enough to believe him.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:46 pm to mouton
Own your OMB Trump Derangement Syndrome comment and put it back up, pus.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:05 pm to BamaAtl
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I know, because you're gullible as frick. Some idiot telling you the sun rises in the South doesn't suddenly mean it will, even if you're stupid enough to believe him.
You realize the grifters are the ones lying to get the pharma money & the afore mentioned lost millions/were fired & or blackballed by pharma & the kickbacks right?
Naw, you are a dumb cuhnt. Get boosted you frick.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 11:32 pm to moneyg
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I think doctors like yourself are going to be sued before this is over.
What am I getting sued for, my message board posts?
Posted on 8/29/22 at 7:13 am to onmymedicalgrind
What bothered me the most were those pushing the shots on children (who were essentially at no risk) and those who already recovered.
According to Dr. Birx, it sounds like they knew the vaccine wasn’t going to help much with infection even though that was the main driver for the mandate.
We all knew very early on who Covid specifically targeted. People could’ve made life decisions to protect themselves in between that time and the time the vaccine came out. Many chose (obviously I’m talking about the obese crowd and not the elderly or serious illness crowd) to just take the “easy” way bc making life changes to get healthier is hard and takes work.
According to Dr. Birx, it sounds like they knew the vaccine wasn’t going to help much with infection even though that was the main driver for the mandate.
We all knew very early on who Covid specifically targeted. People could’ve made life decisions to protect themselves in between that time and the time the vaccine came out. Many chose (obviously I’m talking about the obese crowd and not the elderly or serious illness crowd) to just take the “easy” way bc making life changes to get healthier is hard and takes work.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 7:18 am
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:02 am to Landmass
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Trump’s shot! You knew they would blame it on Trump when the facts about the vaccines came to light
Yes, but he does have some culpability here. He pushed it despite his base.
I am open to anyone who will show me a time or quote where trump forced people to get the shot. I heard him say he would get it. I heard him say he got it. I also heard him say to try Hydroxy and Also supported ivermectin.
he did move to remove any barriers for development, but he is not a doctor or a medical professional, to simply drop that at his feet is short sighted.
Fauci and the government bureaucracy silenced dissention and destroyed lives of anyone who questioned anything. The media acted as their enforcer as well.
Blaming trump is the same as blaming him for shutting the borders or suggesting hydroxy. it is avoiding the real threat for political means. It is being a useful idiot.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:17 am to the808bass
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Fauci has corrupted every aspect of our medical system
It’s not Fauci. The entire system has been captured by the industry it pretends to regulate.
True, you can go back to eh 1990s when the pharma reps would stroll into a doctors office and inform them how they needed to promote their product and would provide favors of every type.
You can see it with the tech as well. As an example, hospitals bought extremely expensive MRI machine sand now everyone needed and MRI instead of an Xray. Then the fights with the insurance company would begin.
In the 2000s and especially after Obamacare, medicine became doing test and proscribing drugs almost exclusively. Treating known symptoms had almost disappeared.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:57 am to winkchance
It started way before the 1990’s.I graduated nursing school in 1975.Around 1977-78 cardiologist was in ICU talking about trip he and his wife took to Bermuda deep sea fishing,what a good time they had and best thing it didn’t cost them a penny.
One of the nurses asked why it was free.He goes on to explain the pacemaker company paid for it.He explained the whole deal,he got points for every pacer he put in,more expensive the pacer the more points he got.Points could be cashed in for merchandise such as televisions,etc.or trips.Like frikken green stamps for those old enough to remember that.
Young idealistic me ,it was shocking.I was appalled at his lack of ethics and also his lack of discretion.Most Drs. kept it quiet around non-physicians.It certainly began the destruction of my notions of medicine as a noble profession.
Later on I became acquainted with a few drug reps,the stories they told were mind-boggling (to me) of the lengths they went to bribe Drs.
The result is now the situation Drs. find themselves in where every surgery,procedure,imaging etc. has to have pre approval.
The medical profession has no one to blame but themselves as they were raping the system for the first years of Medicare.
One of the nurses asked why it was free.He goes on to explain the pacemaker company paid for it.He explained the whole deal,he got points for every pacer he put in,more expensive the pacer the more points he got.Points could be cashed in for merchandise such as televisions,etc.or trips.Like frikken green stamps for those old enough to remember that.
Young idealistic me ,it was shocking.I was appalled at his lack of ethics and also his lack of discretion.Most Drs. kept it quiet around non-physicians.It certainly began the destruction of my notions of medicine as a noble profession.
Later on I became acquainted with a few drug reps,the stories they told were mind-boggling (to me) of the lengths they went to bribe Drs.
The result is now the situation Drs. find themselves in where every surgery,procedure,imaging etc. has to have pre approval.
The medical profession has no one to blame but themselves as they were raping the system for the first years of Medicare.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:56 pm to shel311
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Never said they were excited about the vaccine, not sure why you're moving the goalposts.
You said his supporters were "lauding" his ability to accelerate the process, the plausibly deniable implication being that they were supportive of the jab. Please don't be a disingenuous a-hole.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 9:36 pm
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