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re: "No Amendment is absolute."
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:57 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:57 pm to Indefatigable
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Pretty sure arms are defined as something that you can carry on your person and operate solely.
And that is in the Second Amendment where? I'll even take a US Code citation if that is all there is.
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The argument is stupid
No it isn't. There ARE limits, period.
An ICBM or a thermonuclear weapon isn't a firearm, you dumb frick. Are you really this stupid or are you just arguing this retarded point just to read your own text on a message board?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Biden has said the same many times
Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:02 pm to Indefatigable
quote:In the colonial and revolutionary war era, weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same. A colonist usually had only one gun which was used for hunting, protection, and militia duty, plus a hatchet, sword, and knife. G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution, 6-15, 252-254 (1973). When the revolutionary war began, the colonists came equipped with their hunting muskets or rifles, hatchets, swords, and knives. …
Pretty sure arms are defined as something that you can carry on your person and operate solely.quote:
And that is in the Second Amendment where? I'll even take a US Code citation if that is all there is.
(Y)ou will need to find a dictionary which was in use in 1791. I found one a few years ago and included the definition in one of these threads, but I cannot find it now. The definition was consistent with what is set forth above.
Basically, weaponry was broken down into “arms“ (man portable) and “ordnance” (larger weaponry).
See e.g. State v. Kessler, 289 Or. 359, 368, 614 P.2d 94, 98 (1980)
quote:it is an interesting case. It actually comes out the question from a different angle, analyzing whether a blackjack constitutes “arms“ for purposes of the second amendment.
the term "arms” as used by the drafters of the constitutions probably was intended to include those weapons used by settlers for both personal and military defense. The term "arms” was not limited to firearms, but included several handcarried weapons commonly used for defense. The term "arms” would not have included cannon or other heavy ordnance not kept by militiamen or private citizens.

This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:05 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Trump's comments RE: the Constitution are cut from the same cloth. Own goal for him, context notwithstanding.
Agreed. Trump is dead to me.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The hypocrisy has been charming.
On Twitter, motherfrickers are like "rawr, trump must be dragged out of his house by the military for daring to not respect the constitution!". Often, they are the same people who demand the government get rid of 1a and 2a. Wouldn't surprise me if some politicians who have voted to strip away an amendment's power...are frothing at the mouth about how immoral trump's disrespect for the constitution is.
On Twitter, motherfrickers are like "rawr, trump must be dragged out of his house by the military for daring to not respect the constitution!". Often, they are the same people who demand the government get rid of 1a and 2a. Wouldn't surprise me if some politicians who have voted to strip away an amendment's power...are frothing at the mouth about how immoral trump's disrespect for the constitution is.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:53 pm to roadGator
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Us? There is no us. You are them. Not us. Get it straight.
"Us" used in the constitution relates to all Americans.
Im surprised you didnt know that (not really).
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:56 pm to Indefatigable
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Once again, you agree that there are reasonable limits, right?
Anything the national guard can own should be legal for private citizens to own.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:59 pm to Paddyshack
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There is a God.
Says who?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:09 pm to Jcorye1
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Anything the national guard can own should be legal for private citizens to own.
Even if it all were legal for you to own, there would still be restrictions on when, where, and how you can possess it. I.e, an infringement on the right to keep and bear it.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:28 pm to AggieHank86
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I think that the Founding Fathers envisioned a tiny standing army and participation in the militia by a huge percentage of the adult male population. I also think that they expected those militia members to be able to provide their own personal weapons.
I agree.
However given that context wouldn’t the assumption be that the militia’s “arms” should be adequate to perform their task at any future point in time?
And, given the circumstances wouldn’t that task include possibly revolting against an oppressive government?
It seems one sided to limit the definition of arms to 18th century weaponry given the intent of the amendment in providing capability to citizens to defend themselves from enemies foreign AND domestic at any point in the future.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:38 pm to AggieHank86
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would not have included cannon or other heavy ordnance not kept by militiamen or private citizens.
This is inaccurate. They were expensive so it wasn’t that common, but citizens not only owned individual canons, they owned warships.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:19 am to Indefatigable
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Libel, slander, and perjury are illegal. In many places felons cannot buy weapons. Are these not infringements on the “absolutism” of the first and second amendments?
No and I can’t believe you think this is an argument.
You can’t do harm to others.
Generally, people that lose their rights to purchase guns took the rights of others by force. So yes, we take their rights away because they are a threat to everyone else’s life and liberty.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:28 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Trump's comments RE: the Constitution are cut fr
I see this thread is a week old but anyone not getting what Trump was saying is such a mush brain. Trump was saying what the media and democrats did to destroy the 2020 election allows them to bypass and void the constitution. He wasn’t saying he wants to do that.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:48 am to BigMob
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Shall not be infringed sounds pretty flipping absolute to me.
My god... This is about as dumb as people wanting more stimulus checks because of inflation.
An amendment's verbiage may be absolute in what it protects, but that doesn't make the amendment itself unamendable.
Thankfully that's extremely hard to do. But there is a process for it.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:10 am to Bestbank Tiger
Don't give the left any ideas...
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