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NN why not FTC regs?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:05 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:05 am
The biggest concern about rolling back NN seems to be that ISPs can throttle or block certain sites all together. So why wouldn’t the FTC and existing antitrust or anticompetitive laws cover that?
Also why do people oppose or are so against so called fast lanes? What’s wrong with allowing people to spend more if they want for faster speeds? We have people that pay more for more data, better phones etc.
Also why do people oppose or are so against so called fast lanes? What’s wrong with allowing people to spend more if they want for faster speeds? We have people that pay more for more data, better phones etc.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:09 am to H-Town Tiger
Its double dipping. We already pay for internet usage now you want us to pay for the ability to use our internet on certain sites?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:09 am to H-Town Tiger
Ding, ding, ding!
And we have a winner.
Business is in business to please customers, not screw them.
If ISPs begin to misbehave badly the government has plenty of other tools to deal with it.
And we have a winner.
Business is in business to please customers, not screw them.
If ISPs begin to misbehave badly the government has plenty of other tools to deal with it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:12 am to Greace
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We already pay for internet usage now you want us to pay for the ability to use our internet on certain sites?
Has that ever happened in the history of the internet? Honest question. I see people talk about charging more for "packages" but I've never seen a company actually suggest that.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:13 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Nothing. Nothing at all.
Also why do people oppose or are so against so called fast lanes? What’s wrong with allowing people to spend more if they want for faster speeds?
quote:If you recall about 4 or 5 years ago Obama tried to get a bill passed which would have declared the internet a public utility subject to federal government regulatory control. Congress would have nothing to do with it.
So why wouldn’t the FTC and existing antitrust or anticompetitive laws cover that?
So Obama got his 3 members of the FCC to backdoor the authority by passing net neutrality.
If net neutrality is really an issue to prevent abuse by ISPs, then congress is the proper venue for passing legislation to address the issue, imo.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:15 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:They do. And the FTC isn’t owned by the telcos. As a consumer, you’re far better off with the FTC than FCC.
So why wouldn’t the FTC and existing antitrust or anticompetitive laws cover that?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:15 am to Greace
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We already pay for internet usage now you want us to pay for the ability to use our internet on certain sites?
You mean like you pay for the internet but to use say ESPN Insider or Geaux247 LSU recruiting or Netflix streaming you have to pay for those sites? Or like you have cable but pay extra for HBO? How is it different.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:17 am to H-Town Tiger
So you enjoy the fact that you have to pay more for content you should already have? I pay for Netflix and Internet now with the ruling yesterday it could be put in place that I have to pay for Netflix, A fast lane to netflix and my internet
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:27 am to Greace
Netflix was caught selectively throttling picture quality for customers of AT&T and Verizon in 2016. Would NN prevent that?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:32 am to Greace
quote:So you're entitled to unrestricted data usage no matter how much you use?
you have to pay more for content you should already have
Most cell phone plans don't have that feature. Why shouldn't ISPs have the flexibility to charge more for data hogs?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:32 am to Greace
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So you enjoy the fact that you have to pay more for content you should already have
I have no idea what you mean by this. There have always been sites you have to pay for, I gave some examples, if I wanted those sites I’d pay for it if I don’t or don’t feel like it’s worth it I wouldn’t. I don’t think I’m entitled to free stuff.
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pay for Netflix and Internet now with the ruling yesterday it could be put in place that I have to pay for Netflix, A fast lane to netflix and my interne
First of all that’s not true, if you get Netflix now and are happy with the speed you don’t have to pay for the fast lane like you don’t have to pay for HBO you don’t have to pay for first class on a flight you don’t have to pay for the suite at a hotel etc etc etc.
This idea that ISPs will purposely slow things down in order to “force” you to pay for fast lanes again why wouldn’t that be covered by FTC regs?
Over time speeds have gotten faster but what incentive is there for ISPs to build even faster networks going forward?
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:34 am to LSURussian
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most cell phone plans don't have that feature. Why shouldn't ISPs have the flexibility to charge more for data hogs?
THEY ALREADY DO. I have data caps on how much data I can use.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:34 am to H-Town Tiger
2014 court ruling with ATT vs FTC that casts the FTCs authority to enforce penalties against non-common carrier services for common carriers companies like ATT anf Comcast
It's been appealed and hasn't fully been decided yet
It's been appealed and hasn't fully been decided yet
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:38 am to Greace
quote:Okay, so what's your beef with NN being revoked if that's allowed with NN in effect?
Why shouldn't ISPs have the flexibility to charge more for data hogs?
THEY ALREADY DO. I have data caps on how much data I can use.
And when you say 'data caps' what do you think that means?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:40 am to BobABooey
quote:No. That "throttling picture quality" policy was on wireless cellular data users, not ISPs.
Netflix was caught selectively throttling picture quality for customers of AT&T and Verizon in 2016. Would NN prevent that?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:40 am to LSURussian
It means that once I go over a certain amount of bandwidth I pay an increased price. Same thing with your phone cellular usage if you dont have unlimited data. My Beef with NN being revoked is now I have to pay for a lane to use netflix optimally. After I already pay for the right to use the internet and the right to use a certain amount of data
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:43 am to H-Town Tiger
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So why wouldn’t the FTC and existing antitrust or anticompetitive laws cover that?
it will. that was the point. Comcast got busted through action by the FTC.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:44 am to Greace
quote:Maybe. My plan says over a certain data usage my data download speed is reduced. It's my option which action I want to have for my plan.
It means that once I go over a certain amount of bandwidth I pay an increased price.
quote:You've already been notified of that? Or, are you just postulating that it may happen? How much extra would/do you pay?
My Beef with NN being revoked is now I have to pay for a lane to use netflix optimally.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:45 am to Greace
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We already pay for internet usage now you want us to pay for the ability to use our internet on certain sites?
Who wants to do that?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:46 am to Taxing Authority
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So why wouldn’t the FTC and existing antitrust or anticompetitive laws cover that?
They do. And the FTC isn’t owned by the telcos. As a consumer, you’re far better off with the FTC than FCC.
This, and the FTC is where any regulation belongs. The FCC move in 2015 was a push for future control of the content on the internet.
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