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re: NN why not FTC regs?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:00 am to 25 Point Lead
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:00 am to 25 Point Lead
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It wasn't just something the Obama administration came up without reason
This was in the political works way before 2014, man. Don't overlook where this whole thing comes from.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:03 am to LSURussian
Im not aware of any ISPs that throttle internet speed to certain sites if you go over data usage?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:10 am to Greace
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And im sure if Netflix started charging extra for certain shows people would be up in arms about it
So would we demand the government regulate them? And why don’t they do that now if they are not regulated?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:11 am to Greace
quote:I'm not either. But I will most certainly be searching the news to see if it happens.
Im not aware of any ISPs that throttle internet speed to certain sites if you go over data usage?
Now back to your "must be approved by congress" comment. I just googled and can't find anywhere that congress now has to endorse the revocation of NN. Do you have a link for your comment?
I did find several articles which say congress "should" interject itself on the issue, which I support if abuse by ISPs occur.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:13 am to LSURussian
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They wont lose customers because they are the only option.
That’s because governments have granted monopolies. Would be better to open things up. We have several choices in wireless.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:13 am to Greace
quote:I understand nobody enjoys paying for anything but are you suggesting the federal government should regulate how much a private entertainment company, Netflix, can charge for its programming?
And im sure if Netflix started charging extra for certain shows people would be up in arms about it
If so, WHOA!!
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:15 am to H-Town Tiger
Because its bad for business and there are other ways to get internet shows than to pay for them
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:17 am to LSURussian
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Under the Congressional Review Act, Congress could issue a resolution of disapproval and overrule the FCC’s decision.
So I misspoke. I just glanced at that yesterday and saw that there is the option for this to get overturned
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:22 am to Greace
Okay, thanks. Congress can vote to disapprove any action by a commission. It's not that congress has to vote to endorse the FCC vote. No action by congress makes the FCC vote go into effect. Congress is experienced at taking no action....
I'm afraid this thread has exceeded my attention span.
I'm afraid this thread has exceeded my attention span.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:28 am to Greace
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Because its bad for business and there are other ways to get internet shows than to pay for them
The only place to legally get Netflix original content is to pay for Netflix so there is no reason they couldn’t just charge more for those shows. Just as you suggest ISPs can just start charging you more to access certain sites. Just it would be bad for Netflix if they charge more so it would be bad for the ISP. Now I understand that is some locations choices are limited, that is due to government protecting/granting monopolies. We could allow more competition to counter act this. Also we don’t know what the future will bring as far how we can get access to the internet maybe it’s wireless or someone else. In the 90s when people were freaking out about Microsoft no one could have predicted Android and iOS. And lastly if the ISPs did as you say they will then we could always revisit or better yet have the body charged by the Constitution to “regulate commerce” actually do that instead of these unelected agencies
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:37 am to Greace
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Its double dipping. We already pay for internet usage now you want us to pay for the ability to use our internet on certain sites?
Not all data is creqted equal. Streaming requires hire speeds to ensure quality. I stream almost nothing. Why should I have to pay the same rate as someone who demands more speed to view their pirated content?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:44 am to Evolved Simian
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Why should I have to pay the same rate as someone who demands more speed to view their pirated content?
I pay for Speed and Data Usage. You dont stream very much so you dont have to pay for extra data usage and you also dont have to pay for the speeds that I do
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:50 am to Greace
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So you enjoy the fact that you have to pay more for content you should already have? I pay for Netflix and Internet now with the ruling yesterday it could be put in place that I have to pay for Netflix, A fast lane to netflix and my internet
Someone like me might get a price cut because I don't use Netflix.
I don't think NN should be determined based on your (or anyone's) opinion of how pricing should work.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:11 pm to LSURussian
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And this is why I say that issue should be decided upon by a vote of our elected representatives and not by a court or an appointed commission.
Well the FTC and FCC get their authority from Congress, which is where the common carrier exemption comes from.
I'm 100% for letting Congress decide ( ) and get something passed ( ) on NN and on local and state government red tape.
However, I see that as a reason to delay this repeal and not as the reason to eliminate the current net neutrality protections. Roll back the protections after, not before, Congress can decide on it.
I'm 100% for deregulation of ISPs and the internet once actual competition and choice exists for consumers in the USA. That's what the FCC should have been focusing on, but instead they've actually sided with local governments and the big ISPs in those disputes under Pai. I think they'd have the Constitutional authority to do so too under the commerce clause specifically protecting interstate commerce.
Hopefully the new mesh and spectrum technologies being developed allow for cheaper costs of installing door to door network infrastructure. Currently though, it's naive to believe small business and new competition can exist or thrive with the barriers to entry including legal battles with the incumbent ISPs on the local scale.
Someone on the OT brought up Texas power deregulation as an example of why deregulation works. However, this was accomplished via regulations such as creating price floors and forcing incumbent providers to lease out their utility lines (a major issue with new ISPs is accessing utility polls - Google struggled with this).
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:14 pm to Evolved Simian
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Not all data is creqted equal. Streaming requires hire speeds to ensure quality. I stream almost nothing. Why should I have to pay the same rate as someone who demands more speed to view their pirated content?
You don't have to. Pay for 2 MB/s while I pay for 1 GB/s. The net neutrality rules even allowed for throttling to perform network maintenance or to ease bandwidth overload on their end.
However, what was proven with the Netflix and bitTorrent cases was that they were being throttled across the board, not whenever congestion dictated it. That's not really a Net Neutrality issue as there is already protections for bandwidth congestion.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:39 pm to SoulGlo
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This was in the political works way before 2014, man. Don't overlook where this whole thing comes from.
It's been "enforced" this way since 2005 under the bush admin and the BitTorrent issue.
Other than that, hard to argue with those facts you presented, man
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:39 pm to moneyg
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Someone like me might get a price cut because I don't use Netflix.
Like paying for lower speeds? You can already do that and this didn't prevent it.
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