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re: New York man faces illegal weapons charges after killing 2 burglars in his home
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:35 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:35 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Ignorance of a law is not a defense.
If Texas passed a law making it illegal to miss a belt loop on my jeans, I would probably not know about it.
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:36 am to greygoose
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I guess he should have interrupted the looting of his house, and asked if they had intentions to hurt him first
Got to love those who are against the homeowner here. Unless they are a pansy, they would have done the same thing.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:39 am to the808bass
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Upon reading local news, it appears that this may not be as cut and dried as Fox News made it. It’s not clear that the people shot were inside the home. They also rang the doorbell. More details to come, I’m sure.
Then, the law should be addressing the legalities of the actual situation and not some gun registration technicality issue.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:40 am to AggieHank86
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The notion of needing a permit to keep a weapon in your own home seems silly, but it is the law, and NY has lots of silly laws. If you do not like them, live elsewhere.
The permits are not difficult to obtain or maintain. It seems that in most places in NY and outside NYC, the fee for a permit is about $200 every five years and that the permits are not difficult to obtain. Basically, you cannot be a felon.
Do we know why this homeowner did not maintain such a permit?
2nd Amendment guarantees his right to bear arms, and that right shall not be infringed.
Requiring a permit and fee is an infringement. Do the Bill of Rights only cover people who can afford to pay for a permit so that they can exercise said rights?
In his case, I can imagine that this scenario is likely one of the reasons why the Framers wrote the 2nd the way they did.
NRA or GOA should take up his case.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:40 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Then, the law should be addressing the legalities of the actual situation and not some gun registration technicality issue.
Agreed
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:42 am to xiv
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fortunately he will be taken to task over irresponsible gun ownership.
He may have been non-compliant, but I fail to see anything in that story that says he was irresponsible.
And why is it “fortunate” that he’ll be taken to task?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:42 am to chalmetteowl
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were the burglars armed? You don't just get to shoot those who pose no threat to you
If they were in his house it would take pretty extreme facts for this not to be justified.
As for the gun charge, I’m sure the guy will take his lumps for not registering the gun, or whatever, and move on.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:44 am to HonoraryCoonass
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He may have been non-compliant, but I fail to see anything in that story that says he was irresponsible.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:44 am to TBoy
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If they were in his house it would take pretty extreme facts for this not to be justified. As for the gun charge, I’m sure the guy will take his lumps for not registering the gun, or whatever, and move on.
I agree with that.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:46 am to TBoy
quote:The problem is that this offense was only a misdemeanor until a few years ago, when the law was amended to provide discretion for the DA to pursue felony charges. A felony charge and 1-4 in the penn seems harsh.
As for the gun charge, I’m sure the guy will take his lumps for not registering the gun, or whatever, and move on.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:50 am to xiv
I would assume most people would agree that a poll tax is unconstitutional and morally wrong. Yet, a huge number of people have no problem with requirement a government license and fee to own a gun.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:52 am to civiltiger07
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Here we go making criminals out of law abiding citizens.
If he had killed them with a knife a word would not have been said. What a sad state for America when someone cannot defend their possessions in their own home no matter the weapon used without being arrested for it.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:54 am to wickowick
quote:please let this happen
This might be a perfect case to challenge NY gun laws
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:54 am to greygoose
So follow the law. That way you don’t get arrested after protecting yourself against burglars. The law in New York isn’t unreasonable.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:55 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Except that he can.
someone cannot defend their possessions in their own home no matter the weapon used without being arrested for it.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:56 am to wickowick
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Na, those votes are still getting counted...
for years to come those two will be voting.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:00 am to xiv
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So follow the law. That way you don’t get arrested after protecting yourself against burglars. The law in New York isn’t unreasonable.
Just because there is a law, does not mean it is just. I guess by your reasoning, you were fine with blacks going to jail for drinking out of the wrong water fountain or sitting in the wrong seat at a diner?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:04 am to greygoose
quote:Well this one is. It’s easy to follow, and New York has seen gun violence plummet in the last 25 years as a result of its reasonable gun policies.
Just because there is a law, does not mean it is just.
quote:This is so fricking awesome.
I guess by your reasoning, you were fine with blacks going to jail for drinking out of the wrong water fountain or sitting in the wrong seat at a diner?
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 9:04 am
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:06 am to xiv
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Except that he can.
You don't comprehend very well do you? The man was arrested for using what the government considers a felony.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:06 am to AggieHank86
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The permits are not difficult to obtain or maintain. It seems that in most places in NY and outside NYC, the fee for a permit is about $200 every five years and that the permits are not difficult to obtain. Basically, you cannot be a felon.
Not difficult to obtain? Are you serious?
NYC firearm permit
For starters you have to have a license to keep and buy one.
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The process for obtaining a handgun license in New York City is long (between 3 – 6 months, and waits up to 8-10 months
The rest of the qualifications are incredibly difficult.
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